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What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Sinocism is the approximately the same level of quality as Jansen, Dumbrill, etc. That it caters to a particular crowd of liberal "China watchers", which you may be party to, does not make it higher quality. Axios is also known for producing outright disinformation on China via zealots like Allen-Ebrahimian.

This is laughable. Do you post to r/sino?

What is that?

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He may not be a paid shill, but he is not arguing from a position of sincerity. FooBarWidget is far too intelligent to actually believe half of what he's saying, especially his claim that 98% of Chinese citizens are happy with their government. That number is absurdly high. For reference, trust in government is 84% in Switzerland (highest in the OECD), 65% in Germany, 46% in the US, 42% in Japan, 35% in the UK. Even…

I agree that 98% is too high, but 90% is not unreasonable. There is no country in the world off the top of my head where the quality of life has improved more than in China. Additionally the Chinese government has a very skillful tactic where they make the local government much more accountable via the central government but charges it of all the unpopular things. That way it gets credit for the good while the local…

Obviously older, but Japan and South Korea have probably improved even more if we look since the end of WW2. I hadn't known until recently that South and North Korea were both similarly poor at the end of the Korean War.

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And I hear over in NK, 100% of people approve of the Kim dynasty. Weird how great stats they get, gotta get in on their secret.

The CCP's "secret" is consistently materially improving the conditions of 1.4 billion people over decades. You have to answer the question: why wouldn't the Chinese support their government?

>>>why wouldn't the Chinese support their government?

Trepidation at encouraging/rewarding a state apparatus that is comfortable driving armored vehicles over its own protesting student citizens? It's easy to support a government during periods of success and abundance. How does the government treat its population during periods of hardship and uncertainty? The CCP has already demonstrated its preferred solution: grind the population into hamburger under its power, in order to preserve the position and quality of life of those at the top.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gabrielsanchez/disturbi...

https://allthatsinteresting.com/tiananmen-square-jiang-lin

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The CCP's "secret" is consistently materially improving the conditions of 1.4 billion people over decades. You have to answer the question: why wouldn't the Chinese support their government?

>>>why wouldn't the Chinese support their government? Trepidation at encouraging/rewarding a state apparatus that is comfortable driving armored vehicles over its own protesting student citizens? It's easy to support a government during periods of success and abundance. How does the government treat its population during periods of hardship and uncertainty? The CCP has already demonstrated its preferred solution: gri…

If Tiananmen Square riots are enough reason for Chinese to overthrow their govt, then the Americans should have overthrown their govt 100 times due to LA riots, People's Park massacre, MOVE bombing, etc etc

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> Fan Bingbing is a good case. Jack Ma is another case. In all these cases, the person in question is not in danger in the sense of being tortured in a prison. It's taking in for questioning with a gag order (and depending on the severity of the case, a house arrest) until it's over Being put under house arrest and prevented from having contact with the outside world by the government, without being charged with a cr…

But why should we as Westerners actually care? The majority of people in China are happy with their Government.

>>>But why should we as Westerners actually care?

Because the CCP has built a blue-water Navy, which it continues to expand, with the stated goal of dethroning the US as the global hegemon?

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/china-ar... https://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinas-Destroy-A... https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-seeks-become-worlds-next-025...

Because the CCP conducts influence operations globally? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49511231 https://uscnpm.org/2021/09/14/prc-overseas-influence-disaggr...

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I agree that 98% is too high, but 90% is not unreasonable. There is no country in the world off the top of my head where the quality of life has improved more than in China. Additionally the Chinese government has a very skillful tactic where they make the local government much more accountable via the central government but charges it of all the unpopular things. That way it gets credit for the good while the local…

Obviously older, but Japan and South Korea have probably improved even more if we look since the end of WW2. I hadn't known until recently that South and North Korea were both similarly poor at the end of the Korean War.

Nah. Japan was well on its way to industry in WW2. SK improved a lot yes but still not as much as China and unlike China prospects are dim for a lot of people and politics is somehow even more of a mess. I think the average Chinese citizen is a lot happier with their government than a Korean one. Having a prime minister puppetted by a cult doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

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I am baffled how this makes sense to you. You are complaining about the State Department censoring news but imply that the CCP which literally controls all information isn't as bad? Again, you realise that the US being as bad as China doesn't make China good? And, again, the doublethink is being unable to understand that the question of whether you have to trust government makes no sense in the US. You don't have to…

Both Chinese and Americans are more or less equally propagandized, the difference is that the Americans don't know it. In China you know that whatever is getting media traction has been de facto approved by the Party. In America you have virtually no idea which special interest group is currently lying to you through the media, and they will never be held accountable.

American trust in media is 36%. I can assure you the vast majority of Americans are extremely skeptical of what they consume.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-di...

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And I hear over in NK, 100% of people approve of the Kim dynasty. Weird how great stats they get, gotta get in on their secret.

The CCP's "secret" is consistently materially improving the conditions of 1.4 billion people over decades. You have to answer the question: why wouldn't the Chinese support their government?

What? I never said the Chinese people should rebel. Your anti anti China rhetoric is frankly absurd.

I said you cannot voice dissent towards CCP, so saying “x% approve” is utterly meaningless. Similarly, being a CCP member is not like being a member of a democratic party in some other country.

I’m sure you understand that though, you’re just out here pushing against anti CCP sentiment in a thread about a woman who put her career on the line to say that she has been sexually abused by powerful people.

It’s not a good look.

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Sure. What topics/sectors are you interested in?

Asking this question pretty much reveals what you’re going to recommend. Obviously, I’m looking for opinions about: “CCP good, or CCP bad?”

I don't follow. What was I going to recommend?

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What is this thousands of years of uninterrupted rule thing? If nothing else there was a period where china's rule was very much interrupted by the mongols, not to mention warring states era, etc.

The Imperial China period from 200-something BC to 1912 had pretty solid control over a fair chunk of what we think of as modern China.

One could make a similar argument and generalize about Europeans and claim European unity exists because for most of the past 2,000 years practically all states in Europe were under the influence of the Catholic church in some way or another.

China's history is as complicated as any other similarly sized territory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:D...

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