As someone who has no idea what Rust is, but dabble in HN, I'm now intrigued.
Rust Moderation Team Resigns
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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#882Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is a "fuck up" to you?
Well, the question is rather- what is a "fuck up" to them? And to that- who knows? Certainly the point of a CoC is supposed to be to codify this, but I believe experience shows that its interpretation tends to be expansive, when the wording is not already expansive to begin with. At the end of the day, events like Curtis Yarvin, a person who has never harmed a fly, almost getting banned from Lambdaconf over "safety"…
>I am not asking for anything resembling quotas; just any demonstration of the ability of the team to coexist with a person they have serious ideological disagreements with.
That would be nice... unfortunately, filter bubbles are such that it's hard for most people just to locate a reasonable person who has serious ideological disagreements with them. The current polarisation didn't happen in a vacuum.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#883Earlier quoted context omitted.
Public shaming by respected community members is probably somewhat effective. However, they chose not to do that here. Without knowing more, I have to trust their judgment. But I recognize that it’s unsatisfying.
I don't understand, why would you trust the judgement of volunteer moderators instead of core technical people?
Well obviously you wouldn't, on technical stuff, -- but that's not what this is about, now is it?
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#884Earlier quoted context omitted.
what IF a person in a responsibility position is openly accused of being XYZ-phobic by attention-seeking, emotionally unstable netizens?
What if accusation is proven (and this person agrees with it) but said person does eir work really good. Should ey be forcefully removed from this position? What if there is no good replacement candidate at this time? p.s. pronouns used are from https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/495360fba7a46 , I don't think singular they is correct thing.
Your PS seems conceited to me. Singular "they" is how the community of English-speakers handles this; it harks back to at least Shakespeare. It's miles more "correct" than any weird neologisms.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
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> focus on the actual problem, the fact that there might be a group that is above the laws/rules and possible solutions I just find it hard to understand on how you are suppose to see if the group is above the rules or how you can find any possible solutions, when what is supposed to have exemplified the problem is kept in the dark.
They are saying that if those people keep it up, they can't have a Mod Team. It is an expression of an incompatibility between expansive power residing in the Core Team and the existence of a Mod Team. You don't really need a specific situation to see how that could obviously happen (classic power struggle), or to believe it has recently happened. Story as old as time. At its height, this resignation constitutes (a)…
> What this message lacks is any indication of which people do know what the specific acts by Core Team members were and who did them, and what position those people are in to verify if anything is done about it.
The answer(s) to that is (are) probably: The whole Core Team knows, and since they apparently aren't accountable to the Mod Team, the only entity that can do anything about it is the Core Team as a whole. So the ball is in the Core Team's court.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#886Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your greatest concern is some technical artifact and not the human beings in the community around you, kindly go touch grass.
It is more important to produce great works than it is to adhere to the behavioral strictures of internet activists. 100 years from now, people will recognize the name "Linux Torvalds". Who will remember the tone police? Linux is a major accomplishment and a boon for all humanity. All I see the hall monitors accomplishing is the production of drama.
> 100 years from now, people will recognize the name "Linux Torvalds".
Yeah, and probably exactly like that.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#887Why does a language need a “moderation team”? C++ seems to do fine without one.
It absolutely does not, according to /r/cpp. There have been disputes that nearly led to physical violence, racial slurs, and more. It's just all more "private" by nature of happening in conference rooms and private mailing lists.
> nearly led to physical violence, racial slurs, and more
Nearly led == did not lead. So nothing happened?
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#888Sounds like a failed political power grab.
Sounds like a successful political power grab by someone in the core team.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#889Anywhere in any of this is there any indication of what specifically they are fussed up about this time?
Ashley Williams twitter was public, and it is private now. Seems like it is about her again.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#890What was their responsibility?
Moderation of discussions in issue tracker for example. Some are quite non-constructive (e.g. 100s of "+1" comments).