What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

Post by stefan_ » Thu, Nov 25, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

FooBarWidget wrote: post #139

legutierr wrote: post #45

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How is the specific content of her Weibo post relevant at all here? The issue is that the woman was kidnapped by the Chinese government because simple because she spoke out publicly, and it seems to me that the media’s reporting has been very complete in that regard. What specifically has been lacking?

It's fine if you don't think it's relevant. I am posting for those who do think it's relevant.

Post by bamboozled » Thu, Nov 25, 2021, 9:30 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #60

spinny wrote: post #34

I wonder if the readers/commenters realize there is a massive blackout about this in China. All this propaganda is directed at us. check Laowhy86's video about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc4tNY7S6Q

I don't want to detract from the main story, because we need to call this out regardless of the source nation, but it really does grind my gears the way that Western politicians use this kind of thing to strengthen the anti-Chinese FUD, when there are similar issues at home they could actually do something about, but don't (or worse, even support it - usually "because terrorists, paedos, foreigners etc").

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 25, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

FooBarWidget wrote: post #61

boomskats wrote: post #27

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What's your opinion on this alternative translation posted a couple of days ago? https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qzhxao/translation_... It attempts to highlight a few cultural nuances missing from the original translation. However it hasn't had any native speakers weigh in on it on r/tennis.

It's commendable that he tried adding more notes but on the whole I don't find it more useful to English speakers than the version I linked. The version you linked also has some things I disagree with: I disagree with note 4, claiming that that paragraph is her evidence for non-consensual relationship. My reading of that paragraph (about 10 years ago, the previous time she had an affair) is that that was consensual,…

Post by miohtama » Thu, Nov 25, 2021, 9:34 PM UTC

FooBarWidget wrote: post #147

tomatofarmer wrote: post #141

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I am not ignoring that such a thing might happen. The regime must be able to doublespeak. Allowing a small amount of safe criticism and changing policies allows those in power to deflect and convince people who aren't paying attention. Any criticism that is a legitimate threat is met with blanket censorship - as in the case of Peng Shuai - or deadly violence as in the case of Tiananmen.

You are free to disagree and I am free to disagree with you. But I am sure glad that 98% of Chinese people are happy and feel that the country is heading in the right direction, and I am glad that the world has a diverse set of governance systems.

Post by miohtama » Thu, Nov 25, 2021, 9:38 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #106

ginko wrote: post #81

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You have to at least admit that the reaction of the Chinese government didn't help in the matter. If the post hadn't been immediately deleted and any discussion censored, if the government announced an open investigation and Peng Shuai were free to talk to media then none of this would have happened. This lack of openness of the Chinese government on issues such as these is what essentially leaves what you call sinop…

Food for thought: when has any action of the Chinese government been cast in a good light by Western media? We start from the conclusion "China bad" and search for evidence to confirm it, while ignoring contrary evidence.