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Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Not necessarily. If it's the smoke and smell that bothers me rather than intoxicated antics, I might be more annoyed by someone lighting up at the coffee table next to mine than if they were just sitting there stoned out of their mind.

Totally legit. I smoke at home or hidden away from sight or bothering others with the smell. I was referring to the op who is seemed to say they were irritated by other’s consuming cannabis, which irritates me, as it’s some apparatus designed to mess me up with no regard to my preference in remaining unmussed.

There must have been a misunderstanding. I don't care about consumption per se, just the effect that smoking in public spaces has on my nose.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

#72

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Harm potential is not dubious. Do browse r/leaves subreddit to see how many people struggle with it

Also the little (but becoming increasingly more) known cannabinoid induced hyperemesis.

It's also very well established that cannabis can cause psychosis[1] or depersonalization disorder[2]. Most conversations around cannabis risks usually just reference teens but that's just because there is a strong link between early teen cannabis psychosis and schizophrenia.

My understanding is adults over 30, while way less likely to develop schizophrenia are not immune to transient cannabis induced psychosis or DPDR,

1. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/cannabis-induced-psych...

2. https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp-rj.20...

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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HN guidelines: “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.”, and “Be kind. Don't be snarky.”. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I presumed the commenter is just extremely sensitive to the smell. The people I know like that don’t have a choice - it seems they are biologically like that. They could have me…

I’ve addressed all your concerns in other comments here. I do believe that you should follow your own proposals and see that I mean no snark and am 100 earnest and engaged here. Please do read my other comments here. I have a personal stake in this and as such the OP is definitively treading on the tips of my toes, and it hurts, please stop.

As per sibling comment, you have misread the OP. The OP could have been clearer, but often that is due to writing in another language, which seems very possible when the base topic is about Germany.

I don’t feel you answered my concerns at all.

It appears to me that your comments are similar behaviour to that you are accusing the OP of. If others think your responses are inflammatory, you are likely to get moderated. Your history of responses gets reviewed when considering moderation. Perhaps you are having a bad day, or even a bad life, but please try and follow the HN guidelines.

I apologise that my comments come across to you as snarky, and that I have upset you. I put my time and effort into writing carefully, and I feel that I have been writing with good intention and in good faith: heaven knows whether my subconscious agrees!

If anybodies comments, including my own, are inappropriate or in poor form then that is what the flagging system is for. If you think a comment is seriously outside of the norms, then you can email the moderators and ask for their help.

Edit: Everybody expects disagreement here, and sometimes there are wildly divergent opinions on a topic. What matters is how you express your disagreement, and how others judge the tone and form of your comments. I am writing down the facts as I understand them: I am not trying to attack you or your opinions. I am still trying to learn how to write clearly without inflaming the situation, and unfortunately I often fail.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Hope this won't lead to more smoking in public places. Every time I notice people consuming or having have had consumed the drug in some form, I found it even more insufferable than day-to-day cigarettes.

ok, I'll bite. Why is it worse, I mean "insufferable"? The whole point is not to be hunted for the horrible crime of smoking a joint. Is it any worse than drinking coffee or something? I think not but you obviously have your reservations.

> Is it any worse than drinking coffee or something?

Yeah, that's the nature of smoking. You're forcing everyone else around you to breathe your smoke and smell your dank weed.

You can drink your coffee, but you wouldn't try to force your coffee down my throat.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

#75

Mostly off topic but when I read these stories I'm always irked at the use of "marijuana" instead of cannabis. Maybe because I'm in Toronto where cannabis is fully legal and every store around me that sells it uses cannabis - not to mention the products all use that term as well. Marijuana just seems like your using old, slightly racist terminology. And makes me think of 4/20 BLAZE IT kind of crap. Which is probably…

How is "marijuana" racist?

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

#76

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Are you suggesting that I should remain in the legal shadows due to your inability to manage cannabis consumption?

In a way. Many people can text and drive but it’s advised against for everybody for a reason. it’s an extreme example but it illustrates a point that ultimately it’s a trade off between liberty and having guard rails. I’m just disappointed that we seem to be going from one extreme to the other without considering intermediate options.

From the article, it doesn't sound like an extreme at all. The sale and consumption of weed products seems to be quite limited to certain places. But at the end of the day, this is all about regulating something that people are doing regardless of legality. People can be severely addicted to gambling, eating, and sex. Addiction's a mental illness that should be treat as such, without punishing the whole world for it.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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post #74
post #19

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ok, I'll bite. Why is it worse, I mean "insufferable"? The whole point is not to be hunted for the horrible crime of smoking a joint. Is it any worse than drinking coffee or something? I think not but you obviously have your reservations.

> Is it any worse than drinking coffee or something? Yeah, that's the nature of smoking. You're forcing everyone else around you to breathe your smoke and smell your dank weed. You can drink your coffee, but you wouldn't try to force your coffee down my throat.

Hey, I am not advocating smoking of any kind near other people. That's just wrong.

Just saying there are all kinds of bad smells/stuff in the air. I, for one, can't stand most cars. They smell bad and make a lot of noise.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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post #71

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Totally legit. I smoke at home or hidden away from sight or bothering others with the smell. I was referring to the op who is seemed to say they were irritated by other’s consuming cannabis, which irritates me, as it’s some apparatus designed to mess me up with no regard to my preference in remaining unmussed.

There must have been a misunderstanding. I don't care about consumption per se, just the effect that smoking in public spaces has on my nose.

You know what has more effect on my nose in public spaces than any smoke?

The stink of people, be it perfume, deodorant, hairspray, or the utter lack of washing and cleaning hair and clothes, sometimes even their breath from afar.

Well at least pre-corona. Now I don't notice it so often, since I don't share that much space & time with them anymore.

Anyway, that can even cause tears in my eyes and a strange sting in the nose, making it run. Smoke of any kind doesn't.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

#79

Hah, I can't believe that Germany (of all EU countries) will likely be legalizing cannabis before the Netherlands. This is good news, though.

They are not going to. I have not heard any plans to allow home growing, and I don't expect there will be anything that could cut into the tax profits. That means it is still prohibited in the most basic form. It's sinister.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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That's exactly what it is. I make a point to use the term cannabis, as marijuana is simply slang with racist connotations attached due to the propaganda of the war on drugs

For similar reasons, I refer to burritos as tortilla bean wraps.

Ah yes, I remember all the propaganda hit pieces demonizing burritos.
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