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Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by saiya-jin »

jimsimmons wrote: post #21
rconti wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> probably creating orders of magnitude more addicts [citation needed]

If there’s x% chance of addiction and the availability increases by few orders of magnitude wouldn’t it naturally follow?

No, anybody who wants weed knows how to get some, of questionable quality, elevated price and can't avoid mingling with people who more often than not deal with hard drugs, illegal weapons etc.

I would expect the opposite in fact - legal stuff loses quite a bit of its cool factor for youth, its not much rebelling if you can buy it in shop just around the corner, with better quality and effect you exactly prefer. Added tax revenue is just a bonus.

Even strong cannabis usage is very easy to wean off compared to hard stuff like alcohol or tobacco... which is completely legal.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by hobofan »

vb6sp6 wrote: post #38
xcambar wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is "here"? The article mentions it is decriminalized in DE.

we should probably put on our thinking hats and use the powers of deduction to figure out he is in place where it is not legal

It is not obvious though if they mean Germany, where it is still illegal right now, and they are looking forward to the change, or if it is another country where it is illegal right now and the would like to see the same change happening.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by kahrl »

caseyohara wrote: post #35
sturza wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marijuana is the dried leaves and flowers of the Cannabis sativa or Cannabis indica plant. I cannot imagine how the term is racist. But the fact thay it makes you think of 420, that’s just you.

> The use of "marihuana" in American English increased dramatically in the 1930s, when it was preferred as an exotic-sounding alternative name during debates on the drug's use. It has been suggested that in the United States the word was promoted by opponents of the drug, who wanted to stigmatize it with a "foreign-sounding name" . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_(word)#Early_use_of_...

"It has been suggested" sounds like some weasel words from someone who doesn't want to back their claims. Even if this is true, who actually cares if people from the 30's thought foreign sounding words were scary? Shouldn't we strive to stick it to those fuddy duddies by continuing to use the actual Spanish word without fear?

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by givemeethekeys »

daptaq wrote: post #12

Hope this won't lead to more smoking in public places. Every time I notice people consuming or having have had consumed the drug in some form, I found it even more insufferable than day-to-day cigarettes.

While smoking cigarettes isn't illegal, it is certainly not a good look any more - thanks to controls on how it can be advertised and where it is allowed and the concentrated advertising campaign linking smoking to cancer.

I can see marijuana taking a similar trajectory.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by ushakov »

skrause wrote: post #37
xcambar wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is "here"? The article mentions it is decriminalized in DE.

It's not really decriminalized. While you don't have to fear criminal prosecution in most cases (unless you're in Bavaria) they will punish you by taking away your driving license, even if you never actually drove under influence.

not just that: employers, insurances and banks could use this information against you (police record = bad business)

"decriminalised", but given "right circumstances" will screw you for years

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by iostream23 »

daptaq wrote: post #12

Hope this won't lead to more smoking in public places. Every time I notice people consuming or having have had consumed the drug in some form, I found it even more insufferable than day-to-day cigarettes.

I’m unclear on what you are complaining about: other people enjoying other vices than your own or air pollution. While a particular odor to the stated air pollution can involve a personal preference, the odor is question arguably emits fewer carcinogenic substances and the rolling papers and filters involved certainly pollute less. Single-pull pipe smoking is rather common in some places, meaning the consumer makes one inhalation and exhalation of smoke and is done, not to mention the ubiquitous vaporizer. I do hope you aren’t merely trodding on the relief of cannabis consumers not being legally repressed anymore, as that would be a prejudice 100+ years out of date.

One additional point: you mention “having had consumed” meaning you feel at liberty to decide what other humans mental states should be?

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by iostream23 »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #44
daptaq wrote: post #12

Hope this won't lead to more smoking in public places. Every time I notice people consuming or having have had consumed the drug in some form, I found it even more insufferable than day-to-day cigarettes.

While smoking cigarettes isn't illegal, it is certainly not a good look any more - thanks to controls on how it can be advertised and where it is allowed and the concentrated advertising campaign linking smoking to cancer. I can see marijuana taking a similar trajectory.

Excepting that it’s not linked to cancer. Grant you that the majority of German “kieferen” mix with tobacco, as is the fashion. Tobacco is unhealthy, all medical evidence suggests completely different results from long term pure cannabis consumption and either alcohol or tobacco consumption. Hopefully regulators will consider evidence when determining appropriate regulations

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by iostream23 »

rconti wrote: post #17
daptaq wrote: post #12

Hope this won't lead to more smoking in public places. Every time I notice people consuming or having have had consumed the drug in some form, I found it even more insufferable than day-to-day cigarettes.

It seems fairly obvious that the subset of circumstances in which you become aware someone HAS ingested a drug (and is therefore intoxicated) would be more annoying than the superset of circumstances in which you merely see that someone is beginning to consume a drug.

I’ve smoked daily since I was 14. I don’t get intoxicated, it’s my psychiatric meds, and I don’t take kindly to meddlesome youngsters who think they know how to run my life better than I do, lol… /s ironic sarcastic reference to the notion that someone could ever be more sober or miserable than I am. I only work and have basically no fun and I’ve not had a day off in years, so I wish to be clear that people who character cannabis users as either lazy or intoxicated are tiresome and ignorant.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by iostream23 »

ohazi wrote: post #32
rconti wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems fairly obvious that the subset of circumstances in which you become aware someone HAS ingested a drug (and is therefore intoxicated) would be more annoying than the superset of circumstances in which you merely see that someone is beginning to consume a drug.

Not necessarily. If it's the smoke and smell that bothers me rather than intoxicated antics, I might be more annoyed by someone lighting up at the coffee table next to mine than if they were just sitting there stoned out of their mind.

Totally legit. I smoke at home or hidden away from sight or bothering others with the smell. I was referring to the op who is seemed to say they were irritated by other’s consuming cannabis, which irritates me, as it’s some apparatus designed to mess me up with no regard to my preference in remaining unmussed.

Re: Germany will legalize marijuana and promote drug harm reduction

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Post by iostream23 »

jimsimmons wrote: post #11

As a recovering addict I’m quite mixed about legalisation. On one hand it helps out a lot of people and removes stigma around a form of indulgence. At the same time this is probably creating orders of magnitude more addicts. The adverse effects of a strong dependence can be severe: from people letting life blast past them without much realisation to lung/brain function/psychological disorders. I wish we could have a…

Are you suggesting that I should remain in the legal shadows due to your inability to manage cannabis consumption?
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