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End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by Spivak »

swdunlop wrote: post #35
trebcon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their messaging was pretty poor here imo. The email they sent me gave no clear indication that Firefox would have this ability in it's body.

Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise. Well, still looking. They are outta here.

Bitwarden is my goto. If you're the selfhosting type bitwarden_rs (now vaultwarden) is free and easy to setup. If not BW's cloud hosting is also fine. Vaults work offline just fine, apps on every major platform, biometric unlock if you care about such things, and autofill on browsers/ios/android. And they have a snazzy officially supported CLI tool.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by Firehawke »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #50
swdunlop wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise. Well, still looking. They are outta here.

Keepass + your choice of file sync. Keepass's database has file-based locking so it's safe to sync just via filesystem. I like KeepassXC one Android and MacOS; Keepassium free-tier on iOS works great. On Android you can use syncthing, but syncthing doesn't work on iOS, so I use NextCloud to sync everything now.

Keepass2Android supports Dropbox, Onedrive, and a few other ways of direct sync. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2androi...

For Windows 10/11 users who use a MS account, put a portable copy of Keepass on OneDrive and it'll be there right after a fresh reinstall plus sign-in, and you can access it from the Android app using OneDrive sync built into K2A.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by abnercoimbre »

ksec wrote: post #69

I try to give Mozilla some benefits of doubt and wasted 5 min trying to search for an official note, PR , blog or something that provides more detail, in a simple and clear manner to explain the situation. They could have worded it as All Lockwise functions being integrated into Firefox, iOS version coming in December. Nope, this is it. Or may be it is me being dumb. But judging from some comments here this support d…

Why is this so infuriatingly common with them? Is there a place for learning about their decision-making process? I'll take crumbs at this point to make some sense of it.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

#74

Post by emaro »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #50
swdunlop wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise. Well, still looking. They are outta here.

Keepass + your choice of file sync. Keepass's database has file-based locking so it's safe to sync just via filesystem. I like KeepassXC one Android and MacOS; Keepassium free-tier on iOS works great. On Android you can use syncthing, but syncthing doesn't work on iOS, so I use NextCloud to sync everything now.

For iOS I can also recommend Strongbox.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

#75

Post by kenniskrag »

Firehawke wrote: post #72
KennyBlanken wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keepass + your choice of file sync. Keepass's database has file-based locking so it's safe to sync just via filesystem. I like KeepassXC one Android and MacOS; Keepassium free-tier on iOS works great. On Android you can use syncthing, but syncthing doesn't work on iOS, so I use NextCloud to sync everything now.

Keepass2Android supports Dropbox, Onedrive, and a few other ways of direct sync. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2androi... For Windows 10/11 users who use a MS account, put a portable copy of Keepass on OneDrive and it'll be there right after a fresh reinstall plus sign-in, and you can access it from the Android app using OneDrive sync built into K2A.

Keepass2Android also supports webdav, http, ftp, sftp and nextcloud directly

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

Miraste wrote: post #64
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #42

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They are decent - but they are undermining the development of the Firefox browser by consuming lots of precious time and money which is not what Firefox needs right now. Remember that Mozilla get's 90%+ of its funding, not from donations, but from Google for being the default search engine. Firefox's market share is now ~4%, dangerously close to where Google might decide that the payout isn't worth it. And close enou…

I get where you're coming from, and I would also love to have more work put into Firefox, but development speed has precisely nothing to do with why it's lost so much market share. Nobody is choosing a browser because of feature checklists. The average user has Chrome because it's the default on Android and ChromeOS, and on everything else a helpful notification tells you that your browser sucks and you should get Ch…

Maybe when Firefox was at 33% and Google was just starting to gain major dominance in Chrome, Firefox should have realized the game was changing and tried blocking ads for Chrome or even lying to Google properties that it was Chrome (as Microsoft Edge now is capable of even though Microsoft AFAIK hasn't flipped the switch).

If Google complained, Firefox could say it was a response to anticompetitive behavior. Google would then be a catch-22 where if they cut Firefox's default search funding, they would be inviting lawsuits and investigations. It wouldn't be a healthy relationship but it would have given Firefox a stronger footing than right now.

But Firefox just naively believed adding more fluff like Pocket and paying their executives ludicrous sums of cash would do the trick. You can't do that - you need to get into the mindset that Google wants to kill you and has the power and brand to do it, so you need to fight and stop the bleeding or get killed.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by afavour »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #48
the_duke wrote: post #40

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There is exactly zero chance of maintaining an up to date, reasonably fast and secure browser without a large, dedicated team of highly qualified developers. Good luck with forking... Mozilla has definitely failed with most of their side projects, many of them really redundant. And shutting them down is really bad for their reputation. But they also need to find some funding source that doesn't make them beholden to…

"But they also need to find some funding source that doesn't make them beholden to Google or Microsoft. They have been desperately trying to do that." I agree. How about we do some executive cuts at Mozilla then? $2.4 million for the top exec over there, maybe to $300K or so which is closer to average for a nonprofit, would be a free $2 million per year. It's not like those executives have been successful in any way…

I agree the top execs could be paid less but it’s still a rounding error in their overall funding. It would be a symbolic gesture, welcomed by many. But it wouldn’t make a massive difference.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by emn13 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #48
the_duke wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is exactly zero chance of maintaining an up to date, reasonably fast and secure browser without a large, dedicated team of highly qualified developers. Good luck with forking... Mozilla has definitely failed with most of their side projects, many of them really redundant. And shutting them down is really bad for their reputation. But they also need to find some funding source that doesn't make them beholden to…

"But they also need to find some funding source that doesn't make them beholden to Google or Microsoft. They have been desperately trying to do that." I agree. How about we do some executive cuts at Mozilla then? $2.4 million for the top exec over there, maybe to $300K or so which is closer to average for a nonprofit, would be a free $2 million per year. It's not like those executives have been successful in any way…

While I agree that the CEO's pay seems unreasonable, let's not pretend it's a singular factor that's going to make a significant dent overall.

The best thing people can do is simply use firefox; the longer we avoid a chromium monoculture; the better - and while mozilla the corp may suffer, as long as the userbase doesn't entirely vanish, they might survive based on the scraps microsoft or google throws them.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by ulimn »

Spivak wrote: post #71
swdunlop wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise. Well, still looking. They are outta here.

Bitwarden is my goto. If you're the selfhosting type bitwarden_rs (now vaultwarden) is free and easy to setup. If not BW's cloud hosting is also fine. Vaults work offline just fine, apps on every major platform, biometric unlock if you care about such things, and autofill on browsers/ios/android. And they have a snazzy officially supported CLI tool.

And if you pay $10/year, it has 2FA as well. And you can add notes and such. It's definitely worth using (and paying imo).

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by [deleted] »

jdlshore wrote: post #16

Before everybody gets up in arms from the headline, they're just moving/keeping this feature into the Firefox browser. The article says: > Firefox for iOS will already sync your saved Lockwise passwords. You can currently only use those inside Firefox. Check back for updates in December 2021 on how to use Firefox for iOS as your system-wide password manager. [It's already there on Firefox for Android.]

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