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End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by trebcon »

jdlshore wrote: post #16

Before everybody gets up in arms from the headline, they're just moving/keeping this feature into the Firefox browser. The article says: > Firefox for iOS will already sync your saved Lockwise passwords. You can currently only use those inside Firefox. Check back for updates in December 2021 on how to use Firefox for iOS as your system-wide password manager. [It's already there on Firefox for Android.]

Their messaging was pretty poor here imo. The email they sent me gave no clear indication that Firefox would have this ability in it's body.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by elcapitan »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #30

When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job? They've managed to lose almost all their market popularity, mobile Firefox share is almost nonexistent, they pay their executives extremely disproportionately compared to most nonprofits, they have expanded into countless failed side projects (Firefox OS, Firefox Send) and vestigial side projects they aren't good at (Pocket, Firefox Focus, Firefox Rea…

Once their market share is so small that it doesn't protect Google from the next round of monopoly discussion anymore, they'll probably pull the plug anyway. It's a shame.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by TrianguloY »

javajosh wrote: post #20
kbenson wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication being that lockwise is discontinued because its use case has been subsumed by Firefox? If so, that's a thankful addendum to this announcement. Edit: yep, in settings, logins and passwords, there are two toggles, one to allow Firefox to fill in passwords for web pages, and one to allow Firefox to fill in passwords for other sites, which takes you to the Android password manager selection section.

I use Lockwise but not for other apps. Does anyone know the details about how one app would fill in passwords for another on Android? That capability seems...powerful and dangerous.

https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/text/autofill

Basically: when you focus an input textbox Android asks the service for autocompletion, and then you can choose one of the options which is entered as if the user has typed it. The service already has the password, and the destination app can only get it when you select it (same as if you write it yourself).

In the opposite scenario when you enter data in some inputs Android asks the service if it is interested in them (but without sending the content). If it does, it asks the user, and only when the user accepts the password/content is sent to the service.

In any case, you need to explicitly choose if you want to use or change a service for this purpose, and only one can be enabled at any time.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by swdunlop »

trebcon wrote: post #31
jdlshore wrote: post #16

Before everybody gets up in arms from the headline, they're just moving/keeping this feature into the Firefox browser. The article says: > Firefox for iOS will already sync your saved Lockwise passwords. You can currently only use those inside Firefox. Check back for updates in December 2021 on how to use Firefox for iOS as your system-wide password manager. [It's already there on Firefox for Android.]

Their messaging was pretty poor here imo. The email they sent me gave no clear indication that Firefox would have this ability in it's body.

Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise.

Well, still looking. They are outta here.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

elcapitan wrote: post #32
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #30

When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job? They've managed to lose almost all their market popularity, mobile Firefox share is almost nonexistent, they pay their executives extremely disproportionately compared to most nonprofits, they have expanded into countless failed side projects (Firefox OS, Firefox Send) and vestigial side projects they aren't good at (Pocket, Firefox Focus, Firefox Rea…

Once their market share is so small that it doesn't protect Google from the next round of monopoly discussion anymore, they'll probably pull the plug anyway. It's a shame.

Mozilla is out of their minds to think that paying their top executive $2.4 million per year for 2018 onward (and rising exponentially, it was "only" $1 million a year in 2016) is a good idea.

It's egregious by average nonprofit levels, particularly one that advocates "ethics" like Mozilla, and considering they laid off a major part of the development team, that's like 20 developers.

Hiring 20 developers to work on your core product so that Google keeps paying you, versus raising the top executive's pay for absolutely no good results other than adding failing side projects. Insanity.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by pqb »

Very sad to see Lockwise being sunsetted. It provided good basis for new product that actually could be a competitor to 1password. However, I felt in guts it will have problem with traction, because it seemed too opinionated for me. I have noticed some people wanted to use Lockwise just like a password manager. However, by a long time it was a read-only client for Firefox Sync. No silly OTP calculator to cover Google Authenticator logic. It also didn't support custom Sync Servers, which made a bad taste for very advanced users. Mozilla is losing yet another niche, where Lockwise could be a profitable, open-source full-featured product.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by krzyk »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #30

When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job? They've managed to lose almost all their market popularity, mobile Firefox share is almost nonexistent, they pay their executives extremely disproportionately compared to most nonprofits, they have expanded into countless failed side projects (Firefox OS, Firefox Send) and vestigial side projects they aren't good at (Pocket, Firefox Focus, Firefox Rea…

Not sure what you are writing regarding Firefox Send and Lockwise. They are/were good, or at least good for me.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by michaelhoffman »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #30

When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job? They've managed to lose almost all their market popularity, mobile Firefox share is almost nonexistent, they pay their executives extremely disproportionately compared to most nonprofits, they have expanded into countless failed side projects (Firefox OS, Firefox Send) and vestigial side projects they aren't good at (Pocket, Firefox Focus, Firefox Rea…

Personally I like Pocket although there are certainly places where it could use improvement.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by the_duke »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #30

When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job? They've managed to lose almost all their market popularity, mobile Firefox share is almost nonexistent, they pay their executives extremely disproportionately compared to most nonprofits, they have expanded into countless failed side projects (Firefox OS, Firefox Send) and vestigial side projects they aren't good at (Pocket, Firefox Focus, Firefox Rea…

There is exactly zero chance of maintaining an up to date, reasonably fast and secure browser without a large, dedicated team of highly qualified developers. Good luck with forking...

Mozilla has definitely failed with most of their side projects, many of them really redundant. And shutting them down is really bad for their reputation.

But they also need to find some funding source that doesn't make them beholden to Google or Microsoft. They have been desperately trying to do that.

Ignoring the fact that many of those side projects probably took one or two part time devs, with the vast majority working on the browser ... only working on Firefox won't get them any revenue.

And no, a subscription model probably won't work. As things stand they would need maybe 30-40 million subscribers paying 10$/year to match Googles money. That's never happening.

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