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How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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>> What are the best resources to answer this question? ….seriously? Your doctor Good lord we are in for some bad times

And if you don't trust your doctor to give you good information, then find another doctor. And never go back to the doctor you can't trust again.

You do not live in the Netherlands...

https://www.gezondheidsplein.nl/nieuws/wisselen-van-huisarts...

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#192

Isn't their data also showing that Moderna is the most effective vaccine at preventing deaths?

I believe that's been the growing consensus for a while now.

Yes, and we are also pretty certain that the mechanism of action is the number of mRNA particles contained: 30 µg for Pfizer/Biontech vs 100 µg for Moderna.

As a result, Germany e.g. uses half-doses for Moderna and vaccinates under 30s exclusively with Biontech.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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> the mask made no difference In my case How can you possibly know such a thing? The mask is more about reducing your spread to others, do you have reliable data on how many people you would have infected in lieu of masking? No, you don't.

All I know is I wore one and so did all my friends and it cut through all of us like a knife through butter. Nobody was spared. People think masks are going to save them. In my experience, they prevented nothing of consequence to me or the people I interact with.

Careful there... people are going to start calling you an antivax Nazi Trump supporter for your own personal experience.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#194
Theres 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics

CDC data is skewed from the beginning to bolster their agenda. E.g. They consider a person "unvaccinated" until 14 days after their 2nd shot so it lumps all deaths in-between as "unvaccinated covid deaths". Not to mention the revolving door between the CDC and big pharma.

Also, the major argument against the vaccine is that there's potentially major side effects including death (which looks something like a heart attack probably caused by blood clotting.). This data conveniently only uses "Covid deaths", so it excludes all the extra post-vaccine deaths no one wants to admit. And if a vaccine-related death happens within 14 days, that death gets lumped into the "unvaccinated" death total.

Whenever there's meaningful data, they do everything in their power to cover it up. I.e. the FDA refusing to release the vaccine paperwork they used to grant FDA approval because "they don't have the resources to process it all". But they had the resources required to read it to grant approval.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#195

Why are vaccinated people under 60 are dying at a higher rate than unvaccinated in England? https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adult...

Your link also provides the likely answer when you scroll down to the comments:

> One reason not to draw too much of a conclusion is that 10 to 59 is a really, really broad age group, and the underlying death rate at the top of that group will be much higher than at the bottom.

> If the vaccination is also unevenly distributed in that group (and you would imagine the vaccination rate to be much lower among 10 year-olds than 59 year-olds) that would probably provide a sufficient explanation.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#196
The Public Health England weekly report, already adjusted for percentage of vaccinated, for the last few weeks clearly shows more deaths of the vaccinated from covid and other causes

The USA having more deaths this year than last, with the Delta that spreads faster but is less deadly

Personally not vaccinated, had covid recently, and have no plans of getting vaccinated. Caught from my Pfizer vaccinated wife, and we both had the same symptoms

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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This is actually debatable given that "fully" vaccinated people who get infected - a so-called 'breakthrough infection' - seem to transmit SARS2 at close to the same rate as those unvaccinated [1,2]: fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts Whether th…

Well, as confirmed by your [1], vaccinated people can transmit the virus during a much shorter duration. That's bound to severely decrease R among vaccinated crowds.

It’s frustrating how people cherry pick data and don’t think about important findings in their own cited sources. I’ve seen similar comments to that one so many times citing viral load being the same and always ignoring that the duration is much shorter. Their own citations undermine their point…

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Maximum death rate for all age groups with Moderna, which at least according to these plots provides the lowest death rate, is at 0.8/100_000 in August 2021 for all age groups. Maximum death rate for the unvaccinated of age 12-17 is at 0.17/100_000, for age 18-29 it is 0.76/100_000, also in August 2021. So even unvaccinated younger people (age < 30) are better off than the average vaccinated Joe. The thing is, so far…

I mean it was never the case, since the beginning we all knew it was 95% of deaths among the 50+.

Then the goalposts (sorry for this language but there isn’t any other) shifted to continued transmission and viral mutation, until breakthrough became normalized. Now it’s filling up ICUs and healthcare collapse because of the unvaccinated.

It’s all really sad when the CDC itself needs to cherrypick data until it can proudly say that “vaccines are 5x better than natural immunity” as if it was a competition: man versus nature (never mind the dozens of studies proving otherwise)

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#199
I noticed that they're only evaluating the covid-19 death rate. Not the overall death rate. Based on the latest data from England's ONS, in the 10 to 59 year old category, the vaccinated overall death rate is almost twice as high as the unvaccinated death rate

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#200
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This is fine but still overlooks sample bias. I.e older and more susceptible to illness people like 70 year olds are more likely to be vaxxed than 25 year olds. Had the vaccination rate been constant across ages, the unvaccinated death rate would be far higher and the vaccinated death rate far lower. It’s bad stats to not account for the population differences like that one.

No, the death rate in the ONS data from England is age adjusted. So among the same aged cohorts, the vaccinated are more likely to die than the unvaccinated. Almost twice as likely for the last 6 months straight.
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