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Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by roywiggins » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:22 PM UTC

verdverm wrote: post #39

deanc wrote: post #23

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Because they spread to the rest of the population. I don’t understand how, two years into the pandemic people are still evaluating whether we should vaccinate people based only off the risk to themselves.

I don't know the answer to this, but how does the total viral shed of a unvaccinated child compare to a vaccinated 60+? Also the viral shed of children compared by vaccine status. If it turns out the answer is lower and similar respectively, then it would seem vaccination of children makes little difference in the grand scheme. Two years in and we still make policy with many unknowns. Why don't we have a better under…

The youngest kids are actually more likely to pass it on to their families, because they can't isolate.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by autarch » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:22 PM UTC

Ajedi32 wrote: post #66

rozap wrote: post #38

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Probably a few things. Younger people getting it as schools open up, and it has already killed a lot of the people that it was able to kill.

> Younger people getting it as schools open up Wouldn't that cause an increase in the death rate among the unvaccinated? AFAIK this data isn't "covid deaths/people who got covid", it's "covid deaths/the entire population".

> > Younger people getting it as schools open up

> Wouldn't that cause an increase in the death rate among the unvaccinated?

If the unvaccinated are skewing younger over time, we'd expect the death rate to go down because of that. Younger people are much less likely to die from COVID, even if they're not vaccinated, and this seems to be especially true for school age children.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by jjcon » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:22 PM UTC

rllearneratwork wrote: post #64

Isn't their data also showing that Moderna is the most effective vaccine at preventing deaths?

I believe that has been established for a while now across multiple jurisdictions. Most approved vaccines in eu and us are quite effective though

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-09-17/...

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by vimy » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:22 PM UTC

poxrud wrote: post #54

encryptluks2 wrote: post #33

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Vaccinated people spread to the rest of the population as well. Don't know why you think vaccination prevents people from spreading COVID-19.

Vaccination greatly reduces the rate of spread compared to the unvaccinated. [0] [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

I’m not convinced it matters that much. Regions with high vaccination rates are having corona spikes right now. In my country 92 % of adults are vaccinated and we have the highest number of cases since 2020. Gibraltar with 100 %, Ireland with 95 %, there are more countries/regions…, all having a big rise in cases and are going back into lockdown.

So it doesn’t seem like the lower viral load is making much of a difference.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by rob74 » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:23 PM UTC

steviedotboston wrote: post #32

It really seems like it's safe to say that a fully vaccinated person's risk of dying from covid is low enough where based on the pre-2020 accepted societal standards for risk there should be next to no behavior modification expected.

The problem is that vaccination protects you from having a bad case of Covid, but it doesn't protect you from getting infected and infecting others. So, if the vaccinated carry on as if it's 2019, the disease will jump from one vaccinated person to the next until it finds an unvaccinated person.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by roywiggins » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:23 PM UTC

listless wrote: post #56

encryptluks2 wrote: post #33

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Vaccinated people spread to the rest of the population as well. Don't know why you think vaccination prevents people from spreading COVID-19.

Exactly this. I am double vaxxed Moderna and got it. I was bad sick, but not as bad as my unvaxxed friends who got it. But I’m sure I spread that sucker all over the place. And by the way, the mask made no difference In my case. I’m convinced it’s a fresh N95 everyday or you’re wasting your time.

The vaccine is still good at preventing you from catching it at all. If you don't catch it you don't spread it. It's more like 50% effective than 99%, but it's still going to reduce the chance you give it to anyone substantially.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by Tempest1981 » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:23 PM UTC

steviedotboston wrote: post #32

It really seems like it's safe to say that a fully vaccinated person's risk of dying from covid is low enough where based on the pre-2020 accepted societal standards for risk there should be next to no behavior modification expected.

If I can modify my behavior and save an elderly grandparent's life, I will happily do so.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by a45a33s » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:23 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #3

I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?

haha those crazy people expecting a few years of safety trials before novel medical treatments are forced onto the public. they sure are silly

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by glial » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

xupybd wrote: post #18

encryptluks2 wrote: post #11

If you change the age group to the youngest possible, there are times where those dying that are vaccinated actually surpasses those that are unvaccinated. The difference is so low though that I don't understand how it would make sense to vaccinate those under 12. I remember at the onset of COVID-19 that they tried so hard to make everyone scared to death (literally) that they would push videos of people dying in the…

A friend of mine is concerned about the life long impacts covid may have on his children. He really wants them to be vaccinated to prevent any of the long term effects. I'm not sure what data there is on children and long term covid impacts?

This article has some numbers:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01935-7

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by s5300 » Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

dougmwne wrote: post #71

Dear HN, should I, a man under 40 get a booster shot? How many months after my second dose should I get it? What are the best resources to answer this question? This information is scary hard to get for someone who wants science, not politics.

>> What are the best resources to answer this question?

….seriously?

Your doctor

Good lord we are in for some bad times