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How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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post #23

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Because they spread to the rest of the population. I don’t understand how, two years into the pandemic people are still evaluating whether we should vaccinate people based only off the risk to themselves.

Vaccinated people spread to the rest of the population as well. Don't know why you think vaccination prevents people from spreading COVID-19.

If someone doesn't catch it to start, they can't spread it.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#52
post #10

Wow how come the US death rate amongst the unvaccinated is so much higher? It's peaking at 18%. Is that where we would be if there was no vaccine? It would also help to see some data on vaccine effectiveness against long covid. Edit: I need to learn to read more carefully. As others have pointed out it 18/100000. My panic is over.

But still, it is worth noting that the peak US vaccinated death rates on those charts (e.g. ~1.47 / 100k for Pfizer) are higher than the current _unvaccinated_ death rate in Chile. Vaccination contribute an order of magnitude decrease in the death rate, but surges can contribute an order of magnitude difference as well, within a country over time or between countries. Vaccines matter a lot, but all the other public health tools to prevent/combat surges also still matter.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#53
post #42

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Maybe because, even if you are not vaccinated, you have less chance of catching covid if everyone around you is.

OP is asking about survivorship rate of people who get it, not how likely you are to die of covid. Herd immunity shouldn't come into play here.

You are right, it's not what he was asking. Yet, herd immunity absolutely come into play. The peak of death rates were during hospital overrun.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#54
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they spread to the rest of the population. I don’t understand how, two years into the pandemic people are still evaluating whether we should vaccinate people based only off the risk to themselves.

Vaccinated people spread to the rest of the population as well. Don't know why you think vaccination prevents people from spreading COVID-19.

Vaccination greatly reduces the rate of spread compared to the unvaccinated. [0]

[0]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#55
post #46

It really seems like it's safe to say that a fully vaccinated person's risk of dying from covid is low enough where based on the pre-2020 accepted societal standards for risk there should be next to no behavior modification expected.

Death is not the only bad outcome from COVID, though, so some behavior modification could be justifiable based on risk tolerance.

The vast majority of cases for someone who is fully vaccinated are asymptomatic or mild. The risk of having a severe enough case to require any sort of medical attention is quite low, and for those people who do need it the new antivirals seem to be working very well.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#56
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they spread to the rest of the population. I don’t understand how, two years into the pandemic people are still evaluating whether we should vaccinate people based only off the risk to themselves.

Vaccinated people spread to the rest of the population as well. Don't know why you think vaccination prevents people from spreading COVID-19.

Exactly this. I am double vaxxed Moderna and got it. I was bad sick, but not as bad as my unvaxxed friends who got it. But I’m sure I spread that sucker all over the place. And by the way, the mask made no difference In my case. I’m convinced it’s a fresh N95 everyday or you’re wasting your time.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#58
post #7

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We can't move on when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated. With hospitals in the brink of collapse, there would be no return to normality any time soon.

> when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated It's a vanishing minority of crazies. 99.9% of over 65-year olds have had one jab; 80% of those over 12 [1]. Close to a fifth of the population has had their booster. This debate is over. The people who are left will either be nudged by mandates or self-isolate from areas of dense population or economic activity, which automatically reduces their risk t…

I interpret the link re 99.9% of over 65-year olds having had one jab in the same way as you, but I'm doubtful as to whether the number is correct - see e.g. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.h... also from the CDC which claims only about 90% of nursing home residents having had one jab. 0.1% of over 65 not having any vaccination seems very small, given logistical differences / political opposition etc.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#59
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can't move on when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated. With hospitals in the brink of collapse, there would be no return to normality any time soon.

> when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated It's a vanishing minority of crazies. 99.9% of over 65-year olds have had one jab; 80% of those over 12 [1]. Close to a fifth of the population has had their booster. This debate is over. The people who are left will either be nudged by mandates or self-isolate from areas of dense population or economic activity, which automatically reduces their risk t…

In Greece, where I live, one third of people over 60 are unvaccinated. The same goes for various European countries which explains the new wave that is deadlier than ever. The more data we have the better.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#60
post #7

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We can't move on when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated. With hospitals in the brink of collapse, there would be no return to normality any time soon.

Well then make it a law. No amount of reasoning will change these people's mind. The only anti-vax people I've seen get vaccinated are the ones who lost a close one, and even that does not always work, let alone some data viz.

>Well then make it a law

cool. but let us not stop there. there are so many more public health hazards that we can solve that way.

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