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How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#41

Why is the death rate in the US plummeting among the unvaccinated? Is it just less spread all around?

Because Covid seems to be exceptionally efficient at killing those who are already sick. It's somewhat survivorship bias... Now that we have more effective means of protecting the at-risk (and plenty of them already died), the mortality rate is going down since the mix of people getting sick includes more healthy people as a %.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#42

Why is the death rate in the US plummeting among the unvaccinated? Is it just less spread all around?

Maybe because, even if you are not vaccinated, you have less chance of catching covid if everyone around you is.

OP is asking about survivorship rate of people who get it, not how likely you are to die of covid. Herd immunity shouldn't come into play here.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#43

I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?

Data is always good. It's not just about convincing anti-vaxxers, it's about having real data to determine the risks, effectiveness, etc...

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#44
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Yeah, it is like posting on Hatebook. Ain't nobody convincing nobody about nothing.

Pretty much this. If the science and deaths aren't compelling enough, nothing will be.

The science and deaths due to the vaccine, or the unvaccinated?

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#45

I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?

The article is not "proving vaccines work", it's explaining how some statistics presented in news or social media might be misleading. Also: no, we can't stop collecting evidence supporting the efficacy of vaccines, because then the anti-vaxxers will scream blue bloody murder about how "there's no evidence."

Pretty sure anti-vax people will still scream blue bloody murder no matter what, which is my point.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#46

It really seems like it's safe to say that a fully vaccinated person's risk of dying from covid is low enough where based on the pre-2020 accepted societal standards for risk there should be next to no behavior modification expected.

Death is not the only bad outcome from COVID, though, so some behavior modification could be justifiable based on risk tolerance.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#47

Why is the death rate in the US plummeting among the unvaccinated? Is it just less spread all around?

Less spread and delta was so contagious over the summer that it quickly burned through many unvaccinated populations.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#48
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Agreed, convincing people who think the entire thing is orchestrated by dark forces is pointless. At this point, what I'd like to see: a) accept natural immunity alongside vaccination status, probably need some kind of antibody count test for that to work b) "incentives" for vaccinated population, e.g. 90% discount on COVID treatments while unvaccinated pay full price

(b) is really only applicable in countries where universal healthcare is nonexistent.

Well, that would be most countries, even in the West. Few places have an NHS-style comprehensive and universal coverage system, and in most of the rest (spanning Germany, the US, etc.) there are various levers of private insurance regulation that governments can employ to this end.

For instance, the coverage of tests and vaccines has been legislated and repeatedly updated through the course of the pandemic in the country where I live.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

#49
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We can't move on when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated. With hospitals in the brink of collapse, there would be no return to normality any time soon.

> when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated It's a vanishing minority of crazies. 99.9% of over 65-year olds have had one jab; 80% of those over 12 [1]. Close to a fifth of the population has had their booster. This debate is over. The people who are left will either be nudged by mandates or self-isolate from areas of dense population or economic activity, which automatically reduces their risk t…

It's not a vanishing minority. The people over 65 largely have it because they've stared mortality in the face enough times to hedge on the side of caution. On the other side, you've got the under-65 crowd who aren't met monthly or weekly with an obituary of someone they know or used to know who think that they're "healthy" because they haven't had a triple bypass yet.
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