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Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Only curbing "abuse" implies that "normal use" of state-sponsored spyware remains kosher.

apple builds their own hardware and software. security, or lack thereof, is clearly apples choice. apple blaming nso here is pure public relations and optics, nee propaganda, which many on this board drink like the koolaid it is. it’s confirmation bias.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Where did they sue NSO group? If it's a US suit, I don't see that meaning much. Why wouldn't NSO just ignore it in that case?

The pdf was literally right in the link: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/Apple_v_NSO_Complaint_11... UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA SAN JOSE DIVISION

A portion of the community only reads the headlines and forms their opinion based on that alone, I'm not saying it's right, I'm just trying to add some context to what appears to be your incredulity at the parent commenter's question.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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post #3

Where did they sue NSO group? If it's a US suit, I don't see that meaning much. Why wouldn't NSO just ignore it in that case?

Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case ?

> Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case

It already has been [1].

[1] https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerc...

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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post #3

Where did they sue NSO group? If it's a US suit, I don't see that meaning much. Why wouldn't NSO just ignore it in that case?

The pdf was literally right in the link: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/Apple_v_NSO_Complaint_11... UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA SAN JOSE DIVISION

I read the whole article and then came here to ask if anyone knew the court and case number. Now I feel stupid.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Legal methods are a crutch at best. Apple would be wise to put forth the same budget into their security team's research and development and properly address these weaknesses.

apple controls the hardware and software on apple devices. nso does not. this is public relations for apple, as much as a holiday advert as any they put on tv. if apple wanted to provide their customers secure devices, apple would provide their customers secure devices.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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post #32

The framing of NSO as "state-sponsored" cannot be overstated, and Apple didn't miss the chance to do just that. A hard blow to Israel's policy just as much as it is to NSO itself.

One could interpret this as the software is "sponsored" by the governments that finance their operations and purchase their products. This would be countries like Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Germany, and Kazakhstan, not necessarily Israel.

Though the fact the US has sanctioned an Israeli business does seem to have potential implications on Israeli policy. [1]

[1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-blacklists-four-compan...

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can an upset judge decide to put the NSO leaders and employees on a terrorist list? They could argue it was an attack on national security if they can show some important person from US would have been hacked by a foreign government. Then if EU could put the same guys also on the list maybe there would be some effects.

I'm talking about the discovery process. Will we learn anything we don't know already if NSO isn't required to cooperate? Probably not.

A piece of advice I was given once and try to remember to follow is to, when commenting online, think "does this comment seem wrong if read out of context".

For example you wouldn't have had to come back to explain the context of your comment if your "I strongly doubt anything will come of this." had ended with "..come of this in discovery."

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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post #11

The amount of time that Apple sat on this is telling. First reports on NSO activity are from 2016, Facebook filed in 2019, Apple iOS 14.8 fix released in Sept 2021. Only when the constant negative news about NSO started chipping at their reputation, did they decide to make this symbolic (and ultimately ineffective) move.

Read the New York Times article. It says that Apple was only able to file this suit because of a court ruling in a similar suit by Facebook and because it was given code that showed it how Pegasus works. There is nothing at all "telling" about Apple's timing.

except thats it’s curiously well timed for this news to drop at the beginning of holiday shopping, like an advertisement, or possibly, this is pure marketing. nso and apple are partners. apple leaves holes, nso exploit, said holes.
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