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Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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The amount of time that Apple sat on this is telling.

First reports on NSO activity are from 2016, Facebook filed in 2019, Apple iOS 14.8 fix released in Sept 2021.

Only when the constant negative news about NSO started chipping at their reputation, did they decide to make this symbolic (and ultimately ineffective) move.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't NSO Group an Israeli firm with close ties to government? I strongly doubt anything will come of this.

Can an upset judge decide to put the NSO leaders and employees on a terrorist list? They could argue it was an attack on national security if they can show some important person from US would have been hacked by a foreign government. Then if EU could put the same guys also on the list maybe there would be some effects.

> Can an upset judge decide to put the NSO leaders and employees on a terrorist list?

For not replying to an EULA suit? I sure hope not, as much as I'd like to see NSO nailed to the wall.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Where did they sue NSO group? If it's a US suit, I don't see that meaning much. Why wouldn't NSO just ignore it in that case?

Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case ?

Under what law?

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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It is great to see this happen. It's also fascinating that the crux of the Apple's case against NSO hinges on NSO engineers that accepted iCloud's terms and conditions. From related NYT article: > The sample of Pegasus gave Apple a forensic understanding of how Pegasus worked. The company found that NSO’s engineers had created more than 100 fake Apple IDs to carry out their attacks. In the process of creating those a…

So they used iCloud to spy on NSO?

Sounds not right, regardless of what you think of NSO's actions.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't NSO Group an Israeli firm with close ties to government? I strongly doubt anything will come of this.

Can an upset judge decide to put the NSO leaders and employees on a terrorist list? They could argue it was an attack on national security if they can show some important person from US would have been hacked by a foreign government. Then if EU could put the same guys also on the list maybe there would be some effects.

I'm talking about the discovery process. Will we learn anything we don't know already if NSO isn't required to cooperate? Probably not.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could the company and its executives could be sanctioned based on this court case ?

Under what law?

Lobbying and political pressure with the result of this case being used as tool ?

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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post #11

The amount of time that Apple sat on this is telling. First reports on NSO activity are from 2016, Facebook filed in 2019, Apple iOS 14.8 fix released in Sept 2021. Only when the constant negative news about NSO started chipping at their reputation, did they decide to make this symbolic (and ultimately ineffective) move.

Read the New York Times article. It says that Apple was only able to file this suit because of a court ruling in a similar suit by Facebook and because it was given code that showed it how Pegasus works.

There is nothing at all "telling" about Apple's timing.

Re: Apple sues NSO Group to curb the abuse of state-sponsored spyware

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It is great to see this happen. It's also fascinating that the crux of the Apple's case against NSO hinges on NSO engineers that accepted iCloud's terms and conditions. From related NYT article: > The sample of Pegasus gave Apple a forensic understanding of how Pegasus worked. The company found that NSO’s engineers had created more than 100 fake Apple IDs to carry out their attacks. In the process of creating those a…

So they used iCloud to spy on NSO? Sounds not right, regardless of what you think of NSO's actions.

No.

The information on fake accounts was passed to Apple by Citizen Lab, which discovered the zero click vulnerability.

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