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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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This website always return a "could not reach server" error for me (in Japan). Is there another source?

Cloudflare seems only to be giving the IPV6 address for archive.fo - try using quad9 or something else. Or hop on mobile.

So that's what it is! Thank you.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Without knowing details, I can say from experience that those who feel they are the most righteous are often the most wrong. I’ve been on both sides of this. If this has to be aired publicly, then we need to be able to objectively assess. Otherwise, I’m reading this as ‘we don’t get along with those guys and gals on the core team and vice versa’, which is, fine, it’s just humans not getting along. Which reminds me, I…

Not really, the mod-teams grievance is with the structure (and accountability) of the rust organisation (in particular the core-team). Likely they were triggered by a specific instance, but we can assess the problems with accountability, e.g. the power of the core-team to ignore rules that apply to everyone else quite objectively by looking at the power structures of the organisation. I think if you want to highlight…

This is what the mod team says. I can't assess if that is the case or not.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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I don't think the Rust community is particularly prone to public drama. What other events are you thinking of?

Recently? Linux, Amazon, “turbofish”. Between Oct 2018 and Oct 2021... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1635638400&dateRange=custom&...

You searched "Rust" and "Drama", this is not exactly compelling.

First comment is referring to something that happened years ago.

Second comment isn't about Rust at all.

Third post is about Steve not liking something that came out of Amazon.

Reading on it appears to be more references to Actix, Amazon, totally unrelated/ irrelevant results, etc.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Didn't Guido resign due to politics[0]? I think politics is an issue of organization size more so than structure. [0] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-Jul...

Linus was also nearly driven out by "activists". Best I can tell he never actually said or did anything egregious - his European directness and sense of humor just upset some particularly fragile folks on the mailing list, and so did his refusal to grovel before them. That said burntsushi at least doesn't seem like an activist to me, so the grievances are probably legitimate. Coming from someone less prominent they'd…

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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

#817

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These "internet activists" you spend so much effort maligning are simply reminding you that there is a human being on the other side of that screen. I'm not inside the Linux developers' world, but from the outside it seems like a much healthier, more vibrant place since Linus realized that he works with human beings.

Right, and the suggestion is that this human being (and all the other ones) should be responsible for managing their own emotional state, instead of shifting the burden onto everyone else.

Nothing says contributors "managing their own emotional state" like them venting their anger in insult strewn emails.

Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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how is it interesting?

Because it effectively confirms that the mod team wanted to be able to set and enforce CoC rules on the core team. If the core team can set CoC rules they can't effectively be moderated since they can change the rules.

isn’t that kind of like the press secretary telling the president what to do?

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Thanks for your contribution burntsushi. I'm sorry it has come to this.

Thanking the political commissars? I’m glad to see them resign, and I hope open source can ultimately route around the unearned power grab that the “CoC” movement represents.

Specifically, how do you feel someone like burntsushi represented an unearned power grab? Go on, I'm listening.
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