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Re: New gaming laptop with innovative UI by Razer

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Agreed! Expensive? Sure it is. But I applaud Razor for trying something daring. Given how slim it is, those specs are pretty outrageous.

I don't see anything about a CD drive. Perhaps that's how they were able to make it so slim.

Surely a CD/DVD dirive would have to be present for gaming. I know Steam is taking off but a lot of games are still played from discs

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I think you are all missing the point. There already is a massive market for high end gaming pcs and laptops. Compare these prices and specs to what is available from Alienware or MSI. This laptop only misgiving is the fact it does not have an SSD. However, it is competitively priced in comparison to its competition and with a sleek sexy design this is a very interesting entry into the market.

There is no way this laptop is competitively priced with Alienware and MSI. For about $1200 you can get an Alienware with the same GPU(which accounts for 90 percent of your framerate). For under 1500 you can get an MSI or Asus laptop with a GTX 560M which is significantly better than the GT 555M. If you actually wanted a high-end gaming system you could go all out and get a M18X Alienware with dual 6990M GPUs. Just s…

Buying and owning a gaming laptop or desktop is similar to owning a hot rod.

There are as many different philosophies to how and what to buy as there are gamers. On one end of the spectrum people track pricing trends and chase the best possible value/performance and build it all themselves. On the other end people pay a premium for an innovative case or component or a name brand. This is clearly on the far end of the spectrum, including the expected premium price to get anything Razer.

In the end it's purely for the sport of it. You are right that there are better deals. But there is definitely a segment of people that are more than willing to pay a premium to get an awesome case with a ultra new innovative component like this. Bring a laptop like this to a gaming night at a local coop and everyone will be oogling it and checking it out... That's what it's all about.

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I would be surprised if his current keyboard had LCD keys.

I am and was aware of that. You don't need LED keys is my point. Just take control of what you already have. You can do it right now . People have this huge blind spot around their keyboards for some reason. Every keyboard is "programmable" nowadays. The symbols on the keycaps are only suggestions. Don't pine, do . (And before anybody brings up the usual objection that your customizations travel to other people's mac…

> And before anybody brings up the usual objection that your customizations travel to other people's machines poorly...

I'd say that's unimportant compared to other people traveling to your machine's configuration poorly, when the displayed UI does not reflect the actual result. Imagine, if you will, someone sitting down at a keyboard configured as anything not QWERTY, but still labeled in QWERTY. They're going to ask how to fix it. In contrast, an accurately labeled keyboard will at least allow them to hunt-n-peck.

Even Apple's customizations of the trackpad travel poorly to other users. A familiar scene: a user taps it several times, then has to ask the owner how to click.

Even accurate UI needs careful design. The standard bad example is Microsoft's menus that automatically "simplified" themselves by hiding infrequently used items, making life more complex for everyone.

Re: New gaming laptop with innovative UI by Razer

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Gamers care. The Macbook Air got away with not having normal things inside it because everyone knew it was for looks alone. This thing is being marketed as a gaming rig, which necessarily means you have to care about what's inside.

Nice subtle snark. There might not be a lot of power in the Air but there is a market. Specifically, for people where mobility is more important than power, but able to get actual work done. I bought one when I was hauling around my ThinkPad to school, work, coffeeshops, and everywhere else around the city. Since I didn't have a car, it meant it was one my shoulders the whole time. I considered getting a netbook, but…

The Air is actually really well done. It's a Core i5/i7 (current top of the line), 4GB of RAM, and with a new Intel HD3000 graphics chip, which is able to play TF2 full screen at a usable framerate. I've never used another laptop with embedded graphics that could do that. It's not 'Crysis' good, but it's damn good for a cheap little laptop (especially compared to this Razer monster).

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I am and was aware of that. You don't need LED keys is my point. Just take control of what you already have. You can do it right now . People have this huge blind spot around their keyboards for some reason. Every keyboard is "programmable" nowadays. The symbols on the keycaps are only suggestions. Don't pine, do . (And before anybody brings up the usual objection that your customizations travel to other people's mac…

> And before anybody brings up the usual objection that your customizations travel to other people's machines poorly... I'd say that's unimportant compared to other people traveling to your machine's configuration poorly, when the displayed UI does not reflect the actual result. Imagine, if you will, someone sitting down at a keyboard configured as anything not QWERTY, but still labeled in QWERTY. They're going to as…

It turns out in practice not to be a huge problem.

As you might guess, I'm speaking from experience. I don't need to "imagine" or theorize, I'm living it.

It also turns out that if you really want to, it's easy to make your keyboard flip back and forth between QWERTY and whatever customizations you like. (In my environment, "setxkbmap us" and "jerf_keyboard" (setxkbmap dvorak & an xmodmap) does it. Bind a key to it if you like. I used to use xosd to pop up which mode just turned on when I was sharing a computer with my wife.)

I reiterate, people have a huge blind spot here and are so busy hypothesizing about how it might not work that they miss out on the fact that it does work, and there's no need to wait for fancy keyboards... that, by the way, your coworkers will still be intimidated by, so it's not as if your argument actually affects anything in any direction anyhow. Reap the benefits of these keyboards now, if you like.

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I would definitely consider buying one. Why do people think that high priced, high design PC's can't sell when Apple has been selling exactly this with great success? The PC crowd has been lulled into cheap hardware but not everyone wants that. I typically buy high end Sony Vaio's just because of the sheer elegance of the product. I have raved on here about my Vaio Z, portable "workstation" power in 3 pounds of 13" g…

The funny thing is that by optimizing the supply chain and manufacturing process, Apple has managed to significantly cut costs (or keep them high for competitors). For example, the Vaio Z is much more expensive than the latest MBA.

While it is true that the Vaio Z is priced higher than the Air, the Vaio Z also has a faster processor (2.3ghz vs 1.7ghz), and can be configured to have up to a 2.7ghz i7, 512gb SSD, 8gb of ram, and a full 1920x1080 display (the Air maxes out at 1.8ghz, 256gb SSD, 4gb of ram and a 1440x900 screen). That alone would be worth it for many users looking for a machine that is closer to a desktop replacement in a small, lightweight form factor.

Oh yeah, it also includes a CD/DVD drive and a decent GPU (although it is external only).

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Nice subtle snark. There might not be a lot of power in the Air but there is a market. Specifically, for people where mobility is more important than power, but able to get actual work done. I bought one when I was hauling around my ThinkPad to school, work, coffeeshops, and everywhere else around the city. Since I didn't have a car, it meant it was one my shoulders the whole time. I considered getting a netbook, but…

The Air is actually really well done. It's a Core i5/i7 (current top of the line), 4GB of RAM, and with a new Intel HD3000 graphics chip, which is able to play TF2 full screen at a usable framerate. I've never used another laptop with embedded graphics that could do that. It's not 'Crysis' good, but it's damn good for a cheap little laptop (especially compared to this Razer monster).

bang on.. I've got an air and I play tf2 on it. It's sweet!

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Someone could use an external GPU on the MBP via Thunderbolt (the Razer could too if it has an express card slot).

Possibly, but it's not really relevant.

Relevant to what argument? To what use case? What is a gaming PC? What is a gaming laptop? What are the use cases for each?

I would liken the gaming PC to an audiophile hi-fi setup, almost no one expects it to fit in a messenger bag and run off a battery. For the connoisseur, no portable setup will fulfill all of their needs, and in all likelihood, they'll have setups to cater to each use case. But what if you can have a machine that's ultra-portable, but could also be docked to a setup that allows for high frame rate/high res gameplay? Some people already do this on laptops with express card bridges to external PCI-E sockets. Works pretty well. Here's an example of one such build, although I've seen better:

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/graphics-...

Re: New gaming laptop with innovative UI by Razer

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I don't see anything about a CD drive. Perhaps that's how they were able to make it so slim.

Surely a CD/DVD dirive would have to be present for gaming. I know Steam is taking off but a lot of games are still played from discs

I don't think "taking off" is the best way to describe Steam's current position. I don't think there's been any major game in the last few years that required a disc for playing. Perhaps a couple required it for installing, but not many there either.
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