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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by staticassertion »

queuebert wrote: post #412

I think Rust is a great programming language, but to be honest all this drama discourages me from using it as much. I worry about whether using the language will become a political statement. I worry whether people who can't get along are making the best decisions for the language. And I worry whether a total team meltdown will cause it to become defunct or forked at some point.

As a rust user I really don't care at all about this stuff. Rust is bigger than any of these teams now, and it has been for a few years. I have a lot of confidence that the language will continue forward in a healthy way, and that governance issues will ultimately smooth out.

I only care insofar as I have been a part of the rust community for 6 years or so, and I care about others in the community.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by dbt00 »

Angius wrote: post #594
r053bud wrote: post #369

I feel like there is always drama or issues surrounding the governance of Rust. It has definitely made me wary to adopt it as a long-term language. Maybe I have recency bias or something.

This person being a prominent part of the Rust community definitely does not make me want to engage with it and does make me wary of the stability of the language as well: https://archive.fo/f10KK

She's not?

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by cormacrelf »

mumblemumble wrote: post #615
cormacrelf wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't mean it does not affect anyone outside leadership. It's government, they make decisions that affect participants. There's no such thing as a completely 'inside baseball' issue in government, unless you aren't a citizen. If you don't use Rust at all, you are free to feel like you do not need to think about solutions.

I would argue that it's governance, not government.

It was a metaphor, for the citizen analogy. There is ultimately very little difference in terms of the shape of these problems.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by da39a3ee »

chubot wrote: post #378
stackedinserter wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Examples? EDIT: it's remarkable that there's none, aside of "someone said something"

Rich Hickey specifically said that some Lisp groups were extraordinarily toxic, and it's something he wanted to avoid in Clojure. (I think it was in his HOPL talk). Also, I would say that help-bash@ and the bash IRC channel are pretty toxic. By "toxic" I mean that there's just a general culture of negativity, insults, hazing, and assuming the worst. There's definitely a thing where computer nerds try to one-up each o…

That's interesting, I also came to the conclusion that lisp communities skewed unpleasant. I think it's because they tend to be people (men as it happens) who are older and were around at the time of the original IRC culture, which was quite aggressive / countercultural / unprofessional compared to modern professional standards in tech.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by pzo »

Angius wrote: post #591
mdoms wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the links you have provided shed any light because it's all deleted comments. Would you mind elaborating on Ashley Williams and her supposed "racism, sexism and antagonism"?

Here's the archived version: https://archive.fo/f10KK

link doesn't work - return 403 Forbidden

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by GrayShade »

nabakin wrote: post #614
GrayShade wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poster there actually worked on the Rust project and did more than Ashley Williams, at least on the technical side. I even noticed their "absence" (or lower involvement) earlier this year and was wondering if they're okay. As for Steve's rant [1], it was weirdly guided against the "Rustacean principles" (which are totally harmless [2]), but happened right after Ashley's interim director contract was not extended.…

> Actually, on the HN post back then, Steve complained more about how Amazon didn't give her the job, than anything else. Where did Steve mention Ashley not getting a job at Amazon? I remember reading through that thread but I don't remember Steve mentioning that. Today is the first I'm hearing of it.

They did not extend her (interim) contract as Foundation chair. It's not "she didn't get a job", but rather "she didn't get the job she wanted".

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by bluGill »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #426
throwawaygh wrote: post #47

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I'm generally in favor of enforcing high-level "behave professionally" norms in OSS communities. And not as a new phenomenon, either. I've been kick-banning disruptive people from IRC channels for several decades, I've run forums where I appointed mods, and I've always avoided participating in completely unmoderated communities beyond N=20 or so (not worth the headache). But for some reason, the formalization of cond…

The vast majority of open source projects do not create their own open source license- most of them choose from a relatively small selection of widely used licenses (GPL, BSD, MIT, Apache, etc.). Why then do so many project choose to roll their own CoC? I'd expect that there would also be a relatively small handful of widely used CoCs to choose from, and a project could pick based on their projects' needs.

I'm on a tiny project without a CoC because I don't know how to enforce it if we had one. Enforce means it needs to apply to me, and also whoever enforces it needs to be active to watch for issues. I wish KDE/Gnome/other big project would just do a CoC as a service for tiny projects. For the most part the CoC should be standard, and a few experts to enforce it would be better than random enforcement. (note I have no idea if the above is possible)

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by Angius »

dbt00 wrote: post #622
Angius wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This person being a prominent part of the Rust community definitely does not make me want to engage with it and does make me wary of the stability of the language as well: https://archive.fo/f10KK

She's not?

You're right, seems I was misinformed and didn't do as much reading as I had to. Edited my comment to stop the misinformation from propagating.
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