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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by rbanffy »

xibalba wrote: post #9

This statement is inscrutably generic. Are there examples of behavior which went unaccounted? Or, what prompted this? Also, is it common for projects to have mod teams? This is new to me.

> Are there examples of behavior which went unaccounted?

They don't want to make the specific issues public, but take a stand against the core team being non-responsive to issues raised by the moderation team. We don't know what or why beyond the fact the moderation team feels it can't perform its job when the core team does not submit to the same rules the rest of the community does.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by bruce343434 »

ferdowsi wrote: post #48
randyrand wrote: post #32

Programming Language authors love to formalize everything , but did Rust really need all of these rules and moderators to begin with?

Absolutely, yes. A growing community needs healthy management in order to avoid reputational damage to the core language. There's no shortage of guidance to "stay away from X tech because the community is toxic and non-serious"

In my personal experience such statements are pretty rare actually.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by everybodyknows »

choeger wrote: post #5
fivelessminutes wrote: post #2

'Core team' as a concept naturally leads to elitism.

Does it? I am not familiar with the Rust language development but I read it as "team that takes care of the core (of the language)".

Equally well read as "all others are non-essential" -- tantamount to "subordinate". Guaranteed to seed resentments among those outside the "core".

The social fix would be to change the name "Core" to "Base Language" or some such. Perhaps fork off a separate "Ecosystem" committee with broader representation.

Bona fide: Was once myself on the other side of a "Core" team boundary.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by u320 »

nvrspyx wrote: post #38
scandox wrote: post #16

> In this message, we have avoided airing specific grievances beyond unaccountability. We've chosen to maintain discretion and confidentiality. We recommend that the broader Rust community and the future Mod Team exercise extreme skepticism of any statements by the Core Team (or members thereof) claiming to illuminate the situation. Isn't that a kind of scorched earth statement? I read it as "we will be discreet and…

It's more them saying be skeptical of anything the accused says about the situation, which is common sense in that the "wrongdoer" will more than likely spin the story to save face. Unlike a court of law, they're under no oath. They may make a statement about the situation if the core team decides to release details on the situation, but they don't want to be the first to do so, so they're simply saying be skeptical…

Sure but there is no way for us to know who the wrongdoer is in this case.

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Post by [deleted] »

ferdowsi wrote: post #48
randyrand wrote: post #32

Programming Language authors love to formalize everything , but did Rust really need all of these rules and moderators to begin with?

Absolutely, yes. A growing community needs healthy management in order to avoid reputational damage to the core language. There's no shortage of guidance to "stay away from X tech because the community is toxic and non-serious"

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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by s9w »

ferdowsi wrote: post #48
randyrand wrote: post #32

Programming Language authors love to formalize everything , but did Rust really need all of these rules and moderators to begin with?

Absolutely, yes. A growing community needs healthy management in order to avoid reputational damage to the core language. There's no shortage of guidance to "stay away from X tech because the community is toxic and non-serious"

In the real world, people stay away from rust _because_ of the politics and the coc

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by caffeine »

throwawaygh wrote: post #47
simion314 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe is better that no single action is emphasized or a single person and focus on the actual problem, the fact that there might be a group that is above the laws/rules and possible solutions. Edit: I think if some action will be made public then everyone will focus on debating why that action was correct/incorrect , then a lot of mostly politics dirt will be thrown around etc.

I'm generally in favor of enforcing high-level "behave professionally" norms in OSS communities. And not as a new phenomenon, either. I've been kick-banning disruptive people from IRC channels for several decades, I've run forums where I appointed mods, and I've always avoided participating in completely unmoderated communities beyond N=20 or so (not worth the headache). But for some reason, the formalization of cond…

Large OSS projects are largely staffed by corporate contributors - the culture shift in the organisations paying the contributors is reflected in the projects and the communities surrounding them.
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