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Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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Seriously. Without a dedicated on/off/volume knob for the soundsystem, the driving experience is diminished drastically, no matter how nice the car. And of course touch is way better than eyesight when you are supposed to be paying attention to the road. As someone else said, rough motor skills are safer and more appropriate in a car then controls needing fine motor skills.

agreed, recently traded a cadillac with 100% capacitive buttons for a lexus with buttons and knobs.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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The problem you're describing (Auto AC) isn't that automatic ac doesn't work, but that it's working within a small, very confined space and those differences in temperature are felt immediately. From a personal perspective, I'd rather set it and forget it. It's why when I rarely use the car AC, one button is all it takes and it adjusts to something between 70 and 73, which is about the same it would be at home. When…

You’re describing a good auto A/C. The bad kind controls the average air temperature but has no concept of radiation, resulting in the driver being way too hot when it’s a cold sunny day and the sun is coming from the front left. The thermostat thinks the average temperature is fine, runs the A/C blower on low, and fails t cool the driver.

Considering I'm describing personal experience in a rather old American automobile that I still own and drive daily, it's probable that I'm describing the bad kind.

HVAC's job is not to deal with radiation and sunray angles, nor to adjust for it, IMO. To that end, it's superb engineering.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I know this makes me a clueless annoying boring techie nerd :), but I still cannot properly fathom how this is a minority opinion. NOBODY in my non-techie group of friends or family cares. Not.even.remotely. I watch them struggle with their touch screens, I even listen to them rant, but when asked about it afterwards, it's fine. Just fine. Sexy. Sleek. Desirable. Why do I have to go and ruin everything? Honestly, eve…

I recently bought a new car. The old one had HVAC as you described. I don't use the new one any differently though. When it's really cold, I turn the heat all the way up until I'm comfortable. Then I turn it down and keep it there. This is exactly what I did in my old car too. In the new one I just don't use the "auto" feature, and haven't even tried because my established behavior still applies. Then only difference…

Absolutely. And I can set a knob without looking directly at it. I don’t have to punch a button 42 times or have an autoincrement function overshoot.

Once I’m near the correct temp, I just move the knob one click at a time.

For the seat heater, I reach down between the seats, feel for the switch, and push it. Never take my eyes off the road. I don’t want to be doing these things with touch screens, especially at night. Most of them are too bright anyway, they ruin night vision.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this makes me a clueless annoying boring techie nerd :), but I still cannot properly fathom how this is a minority opinion. NOBODY in my non-techie group of friends or family cares. Not.even.remotely. I watch them struggle with their touch screens, I even listen to them rant, but when asked about it afterwards, it's fine. Just fine. Sexy. Sleek. Desirable. Why do I have to go and ruin everything? Honestly, eve…

It's because the layperson isn't constantly observing systems and thinking about how effective or efficient they are. Their minds just don't seem to work like that. (Perhaps there's some area of expertise they have which applies outside the realm of technology...) While fumbling with some poorly designed UI, they don't appear to get as angry and exclaim, "This user interface sucks! My previous car had a button to tur…

This is why phones don't fit in peoples hands anymore.

-Sent from my Iphone SE

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

#135

Seriously. Without a dedicated on/off/volume knob for the soundsystem, the driving experience is diminished drastically, no matter how nice the car. And of course touch is way better than eyesight when you are supposed to be paying attention to the road. As someone else said, rough motor skills are safer and more appropriate in a car then controls needing fine motor skills.

I know this makes me a clueless annoying boring techie nerd :), but I still cannot properly fathom how this is a minority opinion. NOBODY in my non-techie group of friends or family cares. Not.even.remotely. I watch them struggle with their touch screens, I even listen to them rant, but when asked about it afterwards, it's fine. Just fine. Sexy. Sleek. Desirable. Why do I have to go and ruin everything? Honestly, eve…

On that note, my wife either sets to the absolute minimum (60F) or max (80F) and alternates between the two extremes as she inevitably becomes too hot or too cold with one of those settings. I've tried my best to help her understand the insanity of it, but no luck yet. I think it's actually a throwback to the days when there was just red and blue to indicate gradually larger amounts of hot or cold.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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post #134
post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because the layperson isn't constantly observing systems and thinking about how effective or efficient they are. Their minds just don't seem to work like that. (Perhaps there's some area of expertise they have which applies outside the realm of technology...) While fumbling with some poorly designed UI, they don't appear to get as angry and exclaim, "This user interface sucks! My previous car had a button to tur…

This is why phones don't fit in peoples hands anymore. -Sent from my Iphone SE

thats a tradeoff rather than an error. Making the phone bigger makes it fit differently but is an overall user experience preferred by many.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

#137

Seriously. Without a dedicated on/off/volume knob for the soundsystem, the driving experience is diminished drastically, no matter how nice the car. And of course touch is way better than eyesight when you are supposed to be paying attention to the road. As someone else said, rough motor skills are safer and more appropriate in a car then controls needing fine motor skills.

I know this makes me a clueless annoying boring techie nerd :), but I still cannot properly fathom how this is a minority opinion. NOBODY in my non-techie group of friends or family cares. Not.even.remotely. I watch them struggle with their touch screens, I even listen to them rant, but when asked about it afterwards, it's fine. Just fine. Sexy. Sleek. Desirable. Why do I have to go and ruin everything? Honestly, eve…

I honestly thought, in the early days of the Smart Phone era, that some clever person would come up a way to have tactile buttons appear on the screen (& change with the changing UI). Whether it be a solution where the surface physically deformed or whether it be some sensory feedback due to electrical on our fingertips.

Remember when you could answer your phone as you picked it up? Remember T9 input where you didn't need to look at the screen to type? Imagine a tactile solution on your onscreen keyboard but still being able to swipe... Imagine feeling where the 'answer' button was while you were picking it up and just clicking on it...

:sigh:

(Ironically, I was looking at the Nokia Classic series phones just last night)

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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>>Honest question: do you really see people touch the level of their ac during a drive? Honest answer, not fudged for sake of making a point - Yes. Absolutely. I don't know if hyper-expensive luxury vehicles do better, but I can vouch that my wife has been frequently changing in our 2012 Kia Sportage, 2016 RAV4, and now 2019 Honda Odyssey. I've observed others do so frequently in Toyota Corolla, Honda Civiv, Subaru C…

It's not the control system, it's the psychology. People just aren't willing to let the car control the temperature automatically. It drives me nuts, but that's the reality. I've yet to find a car made after about 1990 that doesn't handle it better than people do. Fiddling with the setpoint and/or the output just makes the system never settle. If you just leave it alone it gets the job done. But I'd say it's about 10…

I don't want the car to control the temperature automatically, because maintaining a set level is not a useful requirement. 20° C or any other number is not a rigid standard. It might feel cold or hot for any given moment in any given situation based on any amount of other environmental factors - outside temperature, clothing, sunlight, activity level while in the vehicle. Human perception is famously wildly variable and often more relative than absolute.

I want a car that has a dial for "hotter" or "colder" and that's it. I'll adjust it in response to my perceptions at any given moment. With a motion wired in to a couple seconds of muscle memory and not poking around layers of touch screen menus.

Some car manufacturers have figured out that some people don't want the fancy garbage. I bought a Nissan Kicks last year and it has every control as a simple manual knob or button; the touchscreen only controls audio features.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

#139
post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this makes me a clueless annoying boring techie nerd :), but I still cannot properly fathom how this is a minority opinion. NOBODY in my non-techie group of friends or family cares. Not.even.remotely. I watch them struggle with their touch screens, I even listen to them rant, but when asked about it afterwards, it's fine. Just fine. Sexy. Sleek. Desirable. Why do I have to go and ruin everything? Honestly, eve…

It's because the layperson isn't constantly observing systems and thinking about how effective or efficient they are. Their minds just don't seem to work like that. (Perhaps there's some area of expertise they have which applies outside the realm of technology...) While fumbling with some poorly designed UI, they don't appear to get as angry and exclaim, "This user interface sucks! My previous car had a button to tur…

Worse even. They blame themselves for being bad at things.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this makes me a clueless annoying boring techie nerd :), but I still cannot properly fathom how this is a minority opinion. NOBODY in my non-techie group of friends or family cares. Not.even.remotely. I watch them struggle with their touch screens, I even listen to them rant, but when asked about it afterwards, it's fine. Just fine. Sexy. Sleek. Desirable. Why do I have to go and ruin everything? Honestly, eve…

The problem you're describing (Auto AC) isn't that automatic ac doesn't work, but that it's working within a small, very confined space and those differences in temperature are felt immediately. From a personal perspective, I'd rather set it and forget it. It's why when I rarely use the car AC, one button is all it takes and it adjusts to something between 70 and 73, which is about the same it would be at home. When…

Every Auto A/C system I've used has a sunload sensor in the dash.

Both in my 97 Town Car, and my 2011 Crown Vic, its set it and forget it, unless I'm running cold or hot that day.

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