Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

Post by laurent92 » Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

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Men tend to work themselves to death in much higher frequency than women. Women benefit from social fabric when they are at the bottom, even homeless women are housed (at unfixed address) while men really are on the street. I’m of the impression that we can’t reduce gaps without introducing the threat of social declassment of women when they fail.

Did it occur to you that a better alternative is to provide a safety net for both men and women, instead of taking the response "if i can't have it, you can't either"? Engaging in a race to the bottom, ensuring everybody is equally bad off, is maybe not the best strategy to ensure equal treatment. (yes, it works. It's just not very productive)

Post by native_samples » Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

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Humans gonna human. No one group is particularly more righteous, as much as the recent zeitgeist wants to lull us into this belief. Many people even believe that countries would be better off if mostly women ran it. Well, all you’d have is a bunch of corrupt women instead of a bunch of corrupt men.

Post by donohoe » Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 8:03 PM UTC

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I will. I predict we will see it in the comments here - likely throwaway amounts. That is why I was calling for a sense of perspective in advance.

Now that this thread has fallen off the front page, and there are no more comments, we can see that you did not answer any commenters here. Either you never planned to do this, and just wanted to stir up trouble, or you were wrong about there being such comments, either from throwaways or not.

Post by ryanmarsh » Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 8:30 PM UTC

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I've not been able to wrap my head around this issue. What is the thinking behind the desire to even sex ratios in various profession? Why are some professions receiving more attention than others when it comes to evening sex ratios. Is a perfect world when every construction site, hospital, and dreary programming job (lets be honest most of them aren't fun) has an even mix of the sexes? What is the benefit? Can some…

> I don't want my daughters sucked into dangerous oil field work prone to boom and bust cycles. Are you implying that it is ok for your sons to be in such a field? To answer your question though... To establish a baseline, women get paid, as a whole, less than men for a particular job title (women doctor paid less than male doctor, women electrician paid less than male electrician). This is on a statistical basis whe…

Post by Ekaros » Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 8:44 PM UTC

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This may not be the case in Europe. Sw engineer profession is roughly as male dominated, but I think you'll need a msc/PhD level in EU and with that kind of diploma IT pays vastly less than in US.

This has always struck me as strange. Software is surely one of the most easily exported commodities, so surely Europeans can easily play in the same global software market as Americans and moreover, I’m of the impression that software engineers in Europe are largely unionized so one would think they’d be able to bargain more effectively for better salaries.