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I do get your point, but leadership is sometimes unique in that it requires an individual to take the role.
You can take a leadership role, but you cannot take a leadership position. That has to be given to you.
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Why would acknowledging that men are discriminated against minimize the concern for discrimination against women? Its ok to focus on more than 1 thing. Discrimination is wrong, never really understood the purpose of 'whataboutism'.
I am not saying that. But there are many (typically men's rights orgs) who seize on stories like this to say that 'enough is enough and truly it is us men who are being marginalized [in ways beyond what the article says]' and thats not at all true.
“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…
Gender segregation, ie what fields are dominated by which gender, is related but quite different. For Swedish numbers I can strongly recommend the primary source (https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/arbe...), collected by the Swedish tax agency and published by the government agency for statistics. The only major drawback is that it is a lot of information and its hard to locate the exact thing (Just choosing the right database interfaces can be hard).
That said, in this case, we can mostly identify the correct numbers. Librarian is a female dominated professions with a ratio of 2:1 (found through the database interface that lists profession and gender), with a similar gender ratio in favor of women for manager levels in the government sector (https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/arbe...).
It should be noted that Sweden has a very high level of gender segregation, and that segregation occurs based on multiple attributes.
“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…
Library directors would look like the entry-level workforce 20-30 years ago, right? One of the major faults in these analyses is to not account for cohorts — and so they discriminate against men in the here and now (fresh hires) to “balance” historic issues that haven’t aged out yet. That purposeful (and misguided) bigotry is the basis of a lot of modern movements, like “anti-racism”.
The example of this is affirmative action. If you could wave a magic wand that perfectly equalized yearly pay between all races of people in the US, you would still see wealth disparities persist for many years (possibly generations, and possibly not get any better), because wealth and financial literacy are passed down through families and interracial marriage is somewhat uncommon. Affirmative action (explicit discrimination on the basis of race) deliberately and purposefully seeks to counterbalance against this effect.
Now, I think that that issue is better solved by higher inheritance taxes, mandatory personal finance classes in schools, and more equitable school funding, but the point is that it's not always a lack of understanding of age cohorts that drives such policies. It's possible to understand the real logic behind such policies and still disagree with them.
“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…
The same is true for the art world. Female dominated in every art school I know, male dominated at the well-paying end of the success spectrum. And I can safely say that I have not ever noticed any discrimination against male artists while studying it. Quite the contrary.
I’m of the impression that we can’t reduce gaps without introducing the threat of social declassment of women when they fail.
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I do get your point, but leadership is sometimes unique in that it requires an individual to take the role.
You can take a leadership role, but you cannot take a leadership position. That has to be given to you.
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I am not saying that. But there are many (typically men's rights orgs) who seize on stories like this to say that 'enough is enough and truly it is us men who are being marginalized [in ways beyond what the article says]' and thats not at all true.
Then please argue with those people when and where you encounter them.
That is why I was calling for a sense of perspective in advance.
I think its pretty common in the US. Look at law firms there are very few male paralegals and nursing as well. Same concept applies to secretarial / admin / HR style roles. I have seen a hiring manager in real life skip over male applicants for an admin role.
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I do get your point, but leadership is sometimes unique in that it requires an individual to take the role.
You can take a leadership role, but you cannot take a leadership position. That has to be given to you.