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"There was no evidence of discrimination against women in male-dominated professions or in mixed-gender professions, but the researchers did find evidence of discrimination against men in female-dominated professions."
Sweden, though.
I'm not disputing the article. Discrimination happens. Humans are human. But let's not lose sight or minimize that women are (currently and historically) discriminated against on a scale that dwarfs this - in hiring, salary, and society at large.
> Granberg and his colleagues found that women had higher positive employer response rates than men on average, an effect that was primarily driven by female-dominated occupations. There was no evidence of discrimination against women in male-dominated professions or in mixed-gender professions, but the researchers did find evidence of discrimination against men in female-dominated professions. Duh? The only reason t…
Apparently that's something you can say with impunity.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or at least men tend to _be given_ more leadership responsibilities.
I do get your point, but leadership is sometimes unique in that it requires an individual to take the role.
Why is that a problem? There are countless other "immutable" characteristics on which an employer can discriminate candidates. It ultimately comes down to finding a good fit for the particular culture of the particular workplace. For every candidate that is discriminated at one workplace, there is another workplace which would welcome them and discriminate members from the first workplace.
What if one workplace becomes the next Google? Suddenly, those favoured by that workplace have a large advantage over those discriminated against.
But it's usually sectors, rather than individual organisations, that blow up like that, and sectors tend to share culture. Don't think Google; think the entirety of Silicon Valley. You're an [immutable characteristic]? Tough; settle for lower working conditions, or retrain for another job.
I'm not disputing the article. Discrimination happens. Humans are human. But let's not lose sight or minimize that women are (currently and historically) discriminated against on a scale that dwarfs this - in hiring, salary, and society at large.
Why would acknowledging that men are discriminated against minimize the concern for discrimination against women? Its ok to focus on more than 1 thing. Discrimination is wrong, never really understood the purpose of 'whataboutism'.
But there are many (typically men's rights orgs) who seize on stories like this to say that 'enough is enough and truly it is us men who are being marginalized [in ways beyond what the article says]' and thats not at all true.
I'm not disputing the article. Discrimination happens. Humans are human. But let's not lose sight or minimize that women are (currently and historically) discriminated against on a scale that dwarfs this - in hiring, salary, and society at large.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do get your point, but leadership is sometimes unique in that it requires an individual to take the role.
You can take a leadership role, but you cannot take a leadership position. That has to be given to you.
Humans gonna human. No one group is particularly more righteous, as much as the recent zeitgeist wants to lull us into this belief. Many people even believe that countries would be better off if mostly women ran it. Well, all you’d have is a bunch of corrupt women instead of a bunch of corrupt men.
“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…
The same is true for the art world. Female dominated in every art school I know, male dominated at the well-paying end of the success spectrum. And I can safely say that I have not ever noticed any discrimination against male artists while studying it. Quite the contrary.
What this could look like in the art world is a lower tendency than women towards a stable yet income-capped career like art teacher, and a higher tendency towards a risky yet unlimited potential path as an independent artist. A small fraction of independent artists become rich and famous, or even have a sustainable career, but you'll hear about the few that actually make it. In this scenario there may be more male success stories, but there will be an even greater number of failures.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2741240/