I mean it was obvious, but scientific study confirming things "everybody knows" is science in the purest and truest sense.
Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations
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#22" a profit maximizing firm should not discriminate between workers of equal productivity based on immutable characteristics " Gender is an immutable characteristic? That's debatable. But whether it is or isn't doesn't seem to make discriminating by it better or worse. That makes immutability a poor discriminator of tolerable discrimination.
> Gender is an immutable characteristic? That's debatable Actually I don't think anybody's debating that - transexuals say that they were born as whatever gender they identify with, they just say it doesn't match what their body looks like. Everybody seems to agree that it's immutable, even if there are people who can't seem to quite agree on how it's identified.
No. There are many who argue that it is entirely up to you who you want to be. And you can always change your mind.
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#23“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…
Library directors would look like the entry-level workforce 20-30 years ago, right? One of the major faults in these analyses is to not account for cohorts — and so they discriminate against men in the here and now (fresh hires) to “balance” historic issues that haven’t aged out yet. That purposeful (and misguided) bigotry is the basis of a lot of modern movements, like “anti-racism”.
For way more than 30 years women have dominated men in the librarian profession
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#24I'm not disputing the article. Discrimination happens. Humans are human.
But let's not lose sight or minimize that women are (currently and historically) discriminated against on a scale that dwarfs this - in hiring, salary, and society at large.
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#25" a profit maximizing firm should not discriminate between workers of equal productivity based on immutable characteristics " Gender is an immutable characteristic? That's debatable. But whether it is or isn't doesn't seem to make discriminating by it better or worse. That makes immutability a poor discriminator of tolerable discrimination.
"should" here refers to predictions derived from rational behaviour, I think. In other words, if you want to maximize profits, you pay the same for equal-productivity workers. (If you paid two different wages you could just lower the higher wage, since you're able to hire equal-productivity people at the lower wage.)
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#27" a profit maximizing firm should not discriminate between workers of equal productivity based on immutable characteristics " Gender is an immutable characteristic? That's debatable. But whether it is or isn't doesn't seem to make discriminating by it better or worse. That makes immutability a poor discriminator of tolerable discrimination.
> Gender is an immutable characteristic? That's debatable Actually I don't think anybody's debating that - transexuals say that they were born as whatever gender they identify with, they just say it doesn't match what their body looks like. Everybody seems to agree that it's immutable, even if there are people who can't seem to quite agree on how it's identified.
That position seems to discriminate against gender-fluid people.
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#28Why is that a problem? There are countless other "immutable" characteristics on which an employer can discriminate candidates. It ultimately comes down to finding a good fit for the particular culture of the particular workplace. For every candidate that is discriminated at one workplace, there is another workplace which would welcome them and discriminate members from the first workplace.
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#29I interviewed at a hair salon once. The owner/manager was female as were all other employees. I'm a guy. Needless to say, I did not hear back. The owner told me during the interview that her clients are all females, mostly wealthy, with many 40-50 years old and she basically explained I would not fit in.
hmm, I have never really thought about it before but I don't think I have ever seen a single heterosexual male hairdresser in my life outside of a barbershop. Never really even registered I guess because that's how it has always been in my experience but interesting now that you mention it. I know there are a ton of male hairdressers just from going to barbershops. Wonder if they just gravitate towards barber shops o…
You have never been to an Asian hair salon. Its self chosen discrimination
Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations
#30I interviewed at a hair salon once. The owner/manager was female as were all other employees. I'm a guy. Needless to say, I did not hear back. The owner told me during the interview that her clients are all females, mostly wealthy, with many 40-50 years old and she basically explained I would not fit in.
hmm, I have never really thought about it before but I don't think I have ever seen a single heterosexual male hairdresser in my life outside of a barbershop. Never really even registered I guess because that's how it has always been in my experience but interesting now that you mention it. I know there are a ton of male hairdressers just from going to barbershops. Wonder if they just gravitate towards barber shops o…
When I was young AND I HAD HAIR, ahem, it was 50/50. I still think it is. Western Europe.