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Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by commandlinefan »

hirundo wrote: post #7

" a profit maximizing firm should not discriminate between workers of equal productivity based on immutable characteristics " Gender is an immutable characteristic? That's debatable. But whether it is or isn't doesn't seem to make discriminating by it better or worse. That makes immutability a poor discriminator of tolerable discrimination.

> Gender is an immutable characteristic? That's debatable

Actually I don't think anybody's debating that - transexuals say that they were born as whatever gender they identify with, they just say it doesn't match what their body looks like. Everybody seems to agree that it's immutable, even if there are people who can't seem to quite agree on how it's identified.

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Post by vanderZwan »

blakesterz wrote: post #6

“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…

The same is true for the art world. Female dominated in every art school I know, male dominated at the well-paying end of the success spectrum.

And I can safely say that I have not ever noticed any discrimination against male artists while studying it. Quite the contrary.

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Post by thendrill »

blakesterz wrote: post #6

“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…

Are you saying that men tend to take more leadership responsibilities?

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Post by s7eu3b4u »

I interviewed at a hair salon once. The owner/manager was female as were all other employees. I'm a guy. Needless to say, I did not hear back. The owner told me during the interview that her clients are all females, mostly wealthy, with many 40-50 years old and she basically explained I would not fit in.

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by depaya »

hirundo wrote: post #7

" a profit maximizing firm should not discriminate between workers of equal productivity based on immutable characteristics " Gender is an immutable characteristic? That's debatable. But whether it is or isn't doesn't seem to make discriminating by it better or worse. That makes immutability a poor discriminator of tolerable discrimination.

I believe the idea with gender being immutable is that people who transition to another gender are doing so to align their gender with what they believe it should be. In this way it is immutable; a person assigned male at birth, who later transitions to female, is no less female than someone assigned female at birth since neither truly chose to be female.

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Post by crate_barre »

Humans gonna human.

No one group is particularly more righteous, as much as the recent zeitgeist wants to lull us into this belief. Many people even believe that countries would be better off if mostly women ran it. Well, all you’d have is a bunch of corrupt women instead of a bunch of corrupt men.

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by twoslide »

vanderZwan wrote: post #12
blakesterz wrote: post #6

“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…

The same is true for the art world. Female dominated in every art school I know, male dominated at the well-paying end of the success spectrum. And I can safely say that I have not ever noticed any discrimination against male artists while studying it. Quite the contrary.

Education is completely the same: compare teachers to principals or education professors (and within universities, assistant to full professors)

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by wonderwonder »

s7eu3b4u wrote: post #14

I interviewed at a hair salon once. The owner/manager was female as were all other employees. I'm a guy. Needless to say, I did not hear back. The owner told me during the interview that her clients are all females, mostly wealthy, with many 40-50 years old and she basically explained I would not fit in.

hmm, I have never really thought about it before but I don't think I have ever seen a single heterosexual male hairdresser in my life outside of a barbershop. Never really even registered I guess because that's how it has always been in my experience but interesting now that you mention it. I know there are a ton of male hairdressers just from going to barbershops. Wonder if they just gravitate towards barber shops or its extreme discrimination.

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Post by dagw »

thendrill wrote: post #13
blakesterz wrote: post #6

“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,” That's interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it's only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors/managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that p…

Are you saying that men tend to take more leadership responsibilities?

Or at least men tend to _be given_ more leadership responsibilities.

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by devnull3 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #10

I think its pretty common in the US. Look at law firms there are very few male paralegals and nursing as well. Same concept applies to secretarial / admin / HR style roles. I have seen a hiring manager in real life skip over male applicants for an admin role.

Also Porn industry. Funnily, straight men are responsible for this :)
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