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Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I'll take knobs over membrane buttons. Can't believe the entire appliance industry switched.

High-end ovens, such as those above, say, $5k, almost always have knobs. I sure appreciate tuning knobs on car audio systems but almost no one besides Toyota and Lexus offer them any more.

Old toaster oven took one action to change the temp - turn the knob. New toaster oven takes multiple actions to change the baking temperature. It's ridiculous.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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It's a cycle. Car designers went a bit crazy with buttons about 10 years ago. This was when bluetooth/carkits was becoming the norm and touchscreens were nowhere near good (cheap) enough. Or expected. So slightly older dashboards will feature upwards of 40 buttons while super modern ones will have none. In a few years they will go back to normal. As for smartphones, they are unfixable. Maybe tactile touchscreens will help in the iPhone 16 (or possibly even the iPhone 15S?)

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take knobs over membrane buttons. Can't believe the entire appliance industry switched.

High-end ovens, such as those above, say, $5k, almost always have knobs. I sure appreciate tuning knobs on car audio systems but almost no one besides Toyota and Lexus offer them any more.

Huh. When remodeling my kitchen in 2016 the highest priced ovens all had crappy touchscreens. I had to "downgrade" from Miele to Bosch to get knobs.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I'll offer a contrary perspective that I haven't yet read here: Digital controls have the potential to be more accessible to people who can't turn a knob due to a mobility impairment.

Edit: See also ndarilek's explanation of how his mobility-impaired girlfriend benefits from Alexa: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20344613

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I too want knobs, but this line exemplifies why they're not coming back: > I wonder if Apple iPhone will meet with the same success, as its touchscreen offers no tactile feedback. Will people get tired of having to look down every time they dial a number?

Datedness of that speculation aside, was dialing numbers without looking at the keypad something people did a lot? Busy Wall Street types maybe?

On my BlackBerry, I could set the keys to dial individual phone numbers with a single long press. The FJ bumps made it easy to do without looking. I sure miss that.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I hate the keyboard on my phone. For dialing a number, it's awful. Give me an old phone any day! But the smartphone does so many other things, I put up with it. That doesn't mean to say i wouldn't greatly welcome a smartphone with a dial on the edge, or a touchscreen with tactile feedback. But due to lack of imagination of designers, technical impossibility, or economic cost (i don't know which...) there's no such th…

I can accept the touchscreen for its broad utility, but poor UI is intolerable. Like how Android keeps covering up the dial pad button in the phone app with inane messages about duplicate contacts. When I want to dial a phone number, sometimes I need to do it “right now”, and I don’t care about duplicate contacts or whatever stupid thing it wants to nag me about. Put that shit in my notifications so I can deal with i…

Yes, yes, and yes. The android phone app is a case study in ergonomics failure. It boggles the mind and clearly shows how smartphones are not phones anymore but pocket browsers.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I too want knobs, but this line exemplifies why they're not coming back: > I wonder if Apple iPhone will meet with the same success, as its touchscreen offers no tactile feedback. Will people get tired of having to look down every time they dial a number?

I don't see why not. Typing on Android has been an unceasing exercise in frustration ever since the real Swype and HTC keyboards went defunct. I made 5 typing errors while writing this message alone.

Really? I can type exceptionally quickly and actually using the android swipe typing. At least as good as the original Swype. Sure it's not as fast as a physical keyboard, but I'm not writing a novel on this device. (3 typos made writing this)

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I'll offer a contrary perspective that I haven't yet read here: Digital controls have the potential to be more accessible to people who can't turn a knob due to a mobility impairment. Edit: See also ndarilek's explanation of how his mobility-impaired girlfriend benefits from Alexa: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20344613

Why not both?

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I'll offer a contrary perspective that I haven't yet read here: Digital controls have the potential to be more accessible to people who can't turn a knob due to a mobility impairment. Edit: See also ndarilek's explanation of how his mobility-impaired girlfriend benefits from Alexa: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20344613

The problem with that is digital controls are often made much smaller than its physical equivalent.

Things like pill bottles have large diameter caps for people with dexterity problems. That same person may not be able to press a small flat "button" due to hand-eye co-ordination problems. Or they may not even be able to feel the surface with their fingertips.

For myself I hate having to go tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap on a digital button when a quick twist of a knob does the same. At least have a slider digital control rather than discrete taps. Imagine instead of a doorknob to open a door you had to tap an electronic button 12 times.

Re: Bring Back Our Knobs: Analog vs. Digital (2009)

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I too want knobs, but this line exemplifies why they're not coming back: > I wonder if Apple iPhone will meet with the same success, as its touchscreen offers no tactile feedback. Will people get tired of having to look down every time they dial a number?

I don't see why not. Typing on Android has been an unceasing exercise in frustration ever since the real Swype and HTC keyboards went defunct. I made 5 typing errors while writing this message alone.

SwiftKey is good. It also has the nice feature in that it lets you raise the keyboard higher which is great for large devices so that you are not typing at the very bottom in an unbalanced manner.
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