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Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jhgb »

judge2020 wrote: post #124
jhgb wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla didn't send a car into space. SpaceX did. And since SpaceX needed to send something on the new Falcon Heavy's test flight, and nobody was willing to trust an actual satellite or space probe to it, I wonder how you could even place a budget on it. It was just a glorified mass simulator.

Tesla is the one that supplied the VIN 686 roadster (~109k opportunity cost) but enormously benefitted from the marketing and social media crazy of launching a car into space and having a website dedicated to tracking it (they don't even pay to run this; lucky TSLA) https://www.whereisroadster.com/

You mean Musk -- the vehicle's private owner and user -- personally supplied it?

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by speedgoose »

theluketaylor wrote: post #117
speedgoose wrote: post #83

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Well, the charging speed is about watts, not volts. On a 400V system you simply need to pull more amps. power = amps * volts. 800V allows cheaper cabling, but that has nothing to do with the charging rate of the battery cells.

CCS has a 500 amp cap in the spec, so here is a limit to how fast 400V batteries can be charged on public infrastructure. Going to 800V removes that limitation as well. Tesla doesn’t care since they control everything and can ramp up the amps, but all other cars that want to charge more than 200 kW need to have higher voltage batteries.

True, but all these cars are quite far from having a flat 200kW charging curve anyway.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by devest8or »

dotancohen wrote: post #108
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

If only it weren't run by a narcissist, Tesla might have been even better. Imagine a world with the reliability of Toyota but using Tesla drivetrain technology! Instead, we have a whiny man child who limits that great drivetrain to a handful of models of unreliable cars built in a way that's much more harmful to the humans on the assembly line due to poor manufacturing engineering. It's really sad, to me.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by judge2020 »

WalterBright wrote: post #37
xoa wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. Does it? This reminds me of a constant refrain on the internet about nearly any medical or safety advancement, where people say something along the lines of "we survived just fine before". But we didn't. Life expectancy for most of human existence, and right up until early 1900s, was mid-50s. And we had billions fewer people, because th…

> Life expectancy for most of human existence, and right up until early 1900s, was mid-50s. LE in the US started ramping up around 1800 and increased all through the 1800s.

Regarding white male life expectancy, it was mostly stagnant:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2885717/pdf/nih... (page 44 / table 4)

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by Noos »

dotancohen wrote: post #108
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

The tesla isn't really common though; I've never even seen one, and my guess it's much more common in wealthy areas as a status symbol more than a widespread success.I don't even see electric vehicles as a whole where i live much, apart from the occasional prius or hybrid. I looked up the superchargers in my state, and they tend to be concentrated in the capital and the communities near new york state.

I think people kind of overemphasize the things the rich people do, and don't get how much a nonissue they are otherwise for everyone else. Like everyone talks about remote work constantly, but really only a minority of people can even hope to do it; many people got laid straight off during the pandemic instead.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jhgb »

gandalfian wrote: post #26

Traveling USA coast to coast a Kia spent about 7 hours of travel time charging whereas a Tesla in an earlier trip spent about 12 hours. Whether this means chargers have gotten faster or cars are charging faster or something else is hard to tell.

> or something else

I'd vote for "something else" since the old trip took 2.4 days (~90 km/h on average) while the new one took 7 days (~27 km/h on average).

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by rudian »

dotancohen wrote: post #108
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

Yeah, I get it, we have a lot to thank Tesla for the push towards EV, but that doesn't exempt them from bad reviews.

Tesla is not the only EV maker anymore, so they can't hide behind "but it's an EV, so… that's where the money goes"

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by judge2020 »

jhgb wrote: post #131
judge2020 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is the one that supplied the VIN 686 roadster (~109k opportunity cost) but enormously benefitted from the marketing and social media crazy of launching a car into space and having a website dedicated to tracking it (they don't even pay to run this; lucky TSLA) https://www.whereisroadster.com/

You mean Musk -- the vehicle's private owner and user -- personally supplied it?

Musk's personal roadster was VIN 1, so while the rumors are that this was his daily driver Roadster (which would make sense since it looks like a 2.0 with 2.5 stuff in it), it came free from Tesla either way.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jhgb »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #13
alfor wrote: post #6

It would be very surprising that this represent real world experience. Tesla supercharger are everywhere and work well across the board, that is not the same experience with most fast DC charger. I think the the real world experience is the inverse of what the article suggest. Kia and Hyundai will make good competition on the low end

I've driven across the US a bunch with the goal of getting it over with as soon as possible, and I have no idea how you would do it in a way that doesn't constitute real world experience. It's mostly driving in a straight line on open road for hours upon hours. There's little room for divergent experiences. Also the Guinness record they beat was Tesla's old record so even if the test wasn't an accurate representation…

If your real world objective is indeed "getting it over with as soon as possible", then I don't see how you could say that Tesla's 2.4 day long trip "underperformed" Kia's 7 day long trip.
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