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Re: A smart collar for cows

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in switzerland we call that a bell. coupled with extremely sensitive sensors we call ears, farmers can find a lost cow far away in the mountain. bonus point: tourists love those so much you can buy smaller models at the airport.

What is 'far away' in Switzerland? I'm in Australia and have a small beef farm and there no way a bell could let you know where cows always are. They get into a gully on the other side of your property etc sound wont travel. I only have a small property I run as a side business vs many family farmers on thousands or 10's of thousands of acres. The really big properties get I to millions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wi…

Thank you for these insights.

I just want to add that mesh wifi is not necessary here. Given the amount of bandwidth needed (very little), LoRaWAN (1) with its ~3-10km range will be quite practical.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoRa

Re: A smart collar for cows

#53
I worked on research in electronically herding cows for a while:

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/drl/animals_robots/cow_herding/...

The collar you see there had a Zaurus PDA which ran the herding algorithm and managed the ad-hoc peer-to-peer wireless network between the cows. Each collar also had a GPS unit and a tiny guitar amplifier/speaker was used to amplify the sounds (WAV files played by the Zaurus). We had only minor success in using sounds to herd them, mostly they would ignore the sounds after a while. CSIRO in Australia and a USDA researcher who patented the idea 20+ years ago extended the work further eventually using electric shocks from an ear tag to train the cattle to associate a sound with a shock, then later using just the sound to manage the cattle. They got very good results with this while minimizing the stress on the cattle due to shocks. So I'm somewhat dubious that this company has had much success with just a buzzing sound. Even shocks won't stop a cow if it is determined. They are herd animals however and feel uncomfortable if away from the herd, so if most of the herd obeys eventually the stragglers will come round.

We stopped working on it when we started getting inquiries from companies wanting to use the technology on prisoners. Herding people electronically is just wrong.

We also talked with an animal ethics researcher who was concerned that the cattle would not be visited by the ranchers as often and would suffer because of it. For example, sensors can tell you if a cow has a fever but not if it has a stone in its hoof. If you trust the sensors too much and don't visit the animals as much the animals can be harmed.

Re: A smart collar for cows

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with barbed wire fences?

Expensive to maintain and injure stock.

Barbed wire fence is cheaper and easier to build than e.g. chain-link fence or welded pipe fence.

It doesn't injure cattle. I have seen horses injured by barbed wire, but horses are sort of a special case.

Re: A smart collar for cows

#56
So I actually started a business back in 2012 specifically for animal tracking on farms (cows and sheep).

We tried BLE, image detection, loads of different approaches which worked at "prototype scale", the problems were:

1. Farms are geographically big, tend to have hills and metal stuff which bounces signals all over the place. LoRa is slow, BLE has a short area. If you're close enough to connect with the cow, you might as well get out the truck and do whatever it is yourself.

2. Animals, especially cows, can and will destroy anything they trample. That includes expensive dongles, wifi base stations, pipes, electric lines. This infrastructure is flimsy and hardening it costs money, especially against water ingress.

3. Cost. A $20 tech strapped to a $100 animal is a considerable percentage of your RoI. The margins are so low, it's just not worth doing this at scale.

The thing is, there is no tech solution that does cattle herding better than a farmer.

Re: A smart collar for cows

#57
post #4

”cows can be trained to navigate using the collar within 4-5 days” Umm, that sounds… labor intensive?

It's aimed at dairy cows, so they'd be herded in for milking twice a day anyway.

Though having said that, the cows on the farms near where I grew up would line themselves up at the gate to be milked, and one farmer would just open the gate while another shooed the stragglers back towards the herd. If this thing is anything less than 100% effective it doesn't seem like it would save much work, since you'd still need someone on a quad bike to deal with the nuisances.

Re: A smart collar for cows

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So I actually started a business back in 2012 specifically for animal tracking on farms (cows and sheep). We tried BLE, image detection, loads of different approaches which worked at "prototype scale", the problems were: 1. Farms are geographically big, tend to have hills and metal stuff which bounces signals all over the place. LoRa is slow, BLE has a short area. If you're close enough to connect with the cow, you m…

Did you look at drones recently? I ran into the same problems as you years ago on an outdoor monitoring PoC with stations spread over several dozen miles (it was cheaper to pay an intern than to deploy & upkeep the tech). For farming use cases, though, drones + CV at least seem to be a pretty decent solution to some problems.

Re: A smart collar for cows

#59
post #21

> Virtual fences keep the cows in designated areas, While the idea of vibrating collars to steer cattle makes me uneasy (what comes next?), I am somewhat hopeful this can address the issue of barbed wire fences. Interestingly, the idea of remotely controlling cattle was discussed several years ago in an article outlining the the issues with fences: https://prairieecologist.com/2015/03/17/hubbard-fellowship-b...

What's wrong with barbed wire fences?

They’re a real pain to move. The article barely covers the myriad benefits of being able to have a collar like this to do virtual herding/fences:

* more flexible and appropriate sizing of grazing areas based on current herd size and where the grass is literally greenest

* the above can also increase dairy yield per sq/m by a considerable amount (I can’t recall the exact numbers I was quoted)

* multiple startups I’ve spoken to in this area also think they’ll be able to use on device biometric sensors to detect when cows need to urinate. Before that happens herd them to dedicated area or drainage pans. Again expected increases in yields and less pasture damage.

* biometrics also provide early indicators of potential health issues.

Nothing wrong with wire fences though. They’ve clearly worked fine for over a hundred years.

Re: A smart collar for cows

#60
post #26

in switzerland we call that a bell. coupled with extremely sensitive sensors we call ears, farmers can find a lost cow far away in the mountain. bonus point: tourists love those so much you can buy smaller models at the airport.

For what it's worth, I've heard claims/studies that cowbells are loud and constant enough to affect cows' eating patterns and cause deafness.

i didn't know that, but indeed i found a study that claims that.
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