Way to spin it: more evidence for the wage inequality between man and female caused by the patriarchy which forces woman into low paying jobs and men into high paying ones. The few man who were willing to accept a low paying job were actively redirected towards higher paying ones.
Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations
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> Anyone who says otherwise is part of the problem and should have no voice in this conversation. This is the same intolerant gatekeeping that I loathe in the feminist camp. Everyone has a voice, anyone can participate, no one-person gets to define "the" problem, let alone label/dehumanize people as being problems.
It's perfectly OK to "gatekeep" against falsehoods and those who spread those falsehoods. In fact, a functioning society depends on weeding out falsehoods, otherwise everything goes down the toilet.
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> Because biology plays no role in human psychology; we're the only species in the animal kingdom to come into this world with no pre-programming and absolutely everything that we do is the result of cultural conditioning. I suspect when these people finally cede on biological differences between the genders, they will just argue that these biological differences themselves are a product of our sinful and fallen worl…
Nope. All evidence shows that human psychology is a mix of biology and culture. That’s why you often see sisters and brothers being very different even though they were brought up the same way. Also, you can’t make somebody have a high IQ through culture. It is a biological trait. And your IQ has a high impact on how you perceived the world and learn.
Who are you nope-ing? Because your comment aligns to my beliefs just fine…
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Engineering is critical, going to a top engineering school is not. Society does not need more engineers going to MIT and then taking a job at Google. Society does need more genius researchers pushing the boundaries of science, but I find it very unlikely that those people are not already admitted to top schools even in the absence of affirmative action. You can claim people have potential but potential doesn't cut it…
> Engineering is critical, going to a top engineering school is not Totally agree, I would even go further and say that I think the "top tier" engineering schools are not better (actually I would argue worse because brilliant researchers aren't always brilliant teachers), they just are able to be a lot more selective with the people that they admit and that is probably the biggest factor on why they are perceived as…
> stark economic correlation
This is completely unrelated to peoples' culture, which you claimed would become a monoculture if schools were majority Asian. If you want to be "conscious of the way that race is viewed and handled within a society" why don't you take a look at the Chinese Exclusion Act and Japanese WW2 concentration camps? If you take the stance that reparations should be made for systemic injustices, then you should be _preferencing_ Asians.
> would result in very similar outcomes due to the economic correlation between racial groups
I suggest you take a look at UC and UW admissions data and rethink your position. All the available evidence of unbiased admissions used in practice show substantial Asian overrepresentation even adjusted for income.
You need to take a serious look at the peoples' preferences you're ignoring when you decide to preach about the "importance" of race in society. California, where Democrats literally have a supermajority, voted down Prop 16 by a 20 point margin.
And maybe while you're at it, take a look at how racist your statements are. Implying that schools will evolve a monoculture if Asians become the majority is blatantly racist. Everything you've said thus far matches up to a tee the picture of a white liberal who thinks he knows everything and wants to dictate how people should view society. This [1] article literally exactly represents what you believe. People like you ARE the problem.
[1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/09/blame-t...
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Nope. All evidence shows that human psychology is a mix of biology and culture. That’s why you often see sisters and brothers being very different even though they were brought up the same way. Also, you can’t make somebody have a high IQ through culture. It is a biological trait. And your IQ has a high impact on how you perceived the world and learn.
> Nope. All evidence shows that human psychology is a mix of biology and culture. Who are you nope-ing? Because your comment aligns to my beliefs just fine…
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I've not been able to wrap my head around this issue. What is the thinking behind the desire to even sex ratios in various profession? Why are some professions receiving more attention than others when it comes to evening sex ratios. Is a perfect world when every construction site, hospital, and dreary programming job (lets be honest most of them aren't fun) has an even mix of the sexes? What is the benefit? Can some…
I think it is a matter of perceived status. Whenever I see complaint about lack of diversity in some field, it is something that is not only white-male dominated but also high status relative to similar endeavors. People who want to increase representation in higher status areas are trying to improve the perceived status of their cultural group. A type that I encounter is persons of some demographic who want to see g…
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Photographer, author, and former Wall St. trader Chris Arnade talks about his book, Dignity, with EconTalk host Russ Roberts. Arnade quit his Wall Street trading job and criss-crossed America photographing and getting to know the addicted and homeless who struggle to find work and struggle to survive. The conversation centers on what Arnade learned about Americans and about himself.
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My reading is that diverse teams are seen as more productive and innovative. Another angle could be that given how impactful technology is, women need the seat at the table to take part in shaping it.
Any evidence for this or is it just wishful thinking? The more diverse a group is the harder it is to communicate because of culture/language barriers. So it doesn’t seem to be obviously true to me.
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> Nope. All evidence shows that human psychology is a mix of biology and culture. Who are you nope-ing? Because your comment aligns to my beliefs just fine…
I thought the same thing, if you used quotation marks it would have been a little clearer you were quoting someone my 2 cents
Might not get that impression just from the selected quote, but initial part makes it clear.
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There's certainly a movement to recruit women into the trades: carpentry, electrical work, etc.
It will fail. It has failed in all countries pushing this hard. Just look at the Scandinavian countries.
Equality of opportunity is very different, and much better to strive for, than equality of outcome.
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I've not been able to wrap my head around this issue. What is the thinking behind the desire to even sex ratios in various profession? Why are some professions receiving more attention than others when it comes to evening sex ratios. Is a perfect world when every construction site, hospital, and dreary programming job (lets be honest most of them aren't fun) has an even mix of the sexes? What is the benefit? Can some…
> I don't want my daughters sucked into dangerous oil field work prone to boom and bust cycles. Are you implying that it is ok for your sons to be in such a field? To answer your question though... To establish a baseline, women get paid, as a whole, less than men for a particular job title (women doctor paid less than male doctor, women electrician paid less than male electrician). This is on a statistical basis whe…
It is a misuse of aggregate descriptive statistics to ascribe moral right or wrong since the state of the world for this dimension, “income,” is the result of 7b+ choices that might still add up to “wrong” even if all those choices were “right.”
It would be helpful if the ideas of Judah Pearl [0] were more in the minds of people, in particular the identification of causes.