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Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

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Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#21

Reminds me of Reagan telling Soviet jokes. https://youtu.be/mN3z3eSVG7A

That's what first came to mind. What a joker he was. His roasts from the 1970s are beyond hilarious as well.

From the comments of that link:

In America, when you tell Soviet jokes, everyone die laughing In Soviet Russia, you tell Soviet jokes, everyone laughing die.

Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#22

Surely we shouldn't look at these subjects with blinders on. I'm sure the Soviet Union has done some evil deeds and killed scores of people in service of national zealotry, then tried to cover it up. But what global superpower hasn't? Realpolitik is an inevitable consequence of the modern world.

You forgot the word "millions" (really). Changes things a bit.

Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#23
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" he was apparently good at managing the program." That's one thing a lot of people don't understand. A lot of these monsters aren't just monsters but they are also very capable. Beria was a good manager, so was Himmler who led the Nazi SS. Stalin also was a hard worker and a master bureaucrat.

You are underestimating how effective a "management" technique is demonstrating that you can shoot underperforming minions. A lot of that "management" was simply terrorizing people to do your bidding. So, no, he most likely wasn't a good manager the same way a bank robber isn't showing "good interpersonal skills" because he was able to convince all patrons to sit by the wall and employees to open the vault.

This is true, but only partly. Say, copious killings did not help the Big Jump in China, or the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, to achieve any impressive breakthroughs.

Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#24
post #4

For Soviet-era black humor, it's hard to beat the 2017 movie The Death of Stalin .

It was hilarious, but not very accurate. I don't expect accuracy from a film like that, but it's good to keep in mind. Beria was even worse than they depicted. He was a sadistic serial killer and sexual predator.

I don't think the film hid the sadistic side of Beria or his being a sexual predator. But maybe it was not so clear cut to all viewers as it was also a dark comedy with true gallows humor.

Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#25
post #5

> Some of the stories are more in the line of “hooray for Soviet scientists” genre, which I find a lot less interesting I find this very telling about the reviewer. When the Russians (or Soviets) show gallows humor, or are simply bizarre or we (in the West) want to read dark undertones in what they wrote: hell yes, it's just like I thought, the Soviet Union must have been a constant nightmare! When they write in a se…

If you ever need a dose of reality, go see (google) some of Nikolai Getman's paintings of the life of prisoners in the Gulag which he had to paint in secret after being imprisoned for 8 years.

Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#26

Surely we shouldn't look at these subjects with blinders on. I'm sure the Soviet Union has done some evil deeds and killed scores of people in service of national zealotry, then tried to cover it up. But what global superpower hasn't? Realpolitik is an inevitable consequence of the modern world.

You forgot the word "millions" (really). Changes things a bit.

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Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#27

Surely we shouldn't look at these subjects with blinders on. I'm sure the Soviet Union has done some evil deeds and killed scores of people in service of national zealotry, then tried to cover it up. But what global superpower hasn't? Realpolitik is an inevitable consequence of the modern world.

The prisoner situation does seem somewhat dire, but whenever I read the Soviet Union imprisoned huge numbers of people I have to laugh when I recall American statistics and the horrific conditions in our prisons where we also use slave labor (the 13th Amendment's lone exception). One day not too far in the future people will read about us in the same hushed undertones. Or perhaps not, because my hope is the press of…

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Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#28

Surely we shouldn't look at these subjects with blinders on. I'm sure the Soviet Union has done some evil deeds and killed scores of people in service of national zealotry, then tried to cover it up. But what global superpower hasn't? Realpolitik is an inevitable consequence of the modern world.

"scores of people"? You should read Gulag Archipelago.

I think you missed the point of my comment. The Soviet Union is not alone in committing atrocity or "evil". Every developed nation is guilty of it. And the scale of atrocity shouldn't be measured by the body count alone.

Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#29
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" he was apparently good at managing the program." That's one thing a lot of people don't understand. A lot of these monsters aren't just monsters but they are also very capable. Beria was a good manager, so was Himmler who led the Nazi SS. Stalin also was a hard worker and a master bureaucrat.

You are underestimating how effective a "management" technique is demonstrating that you can shoot underperforming minions. A lot of that "management" was simply terrorizing people to do your bidding. So, no, he most likely wasn't a good manager the same way a bank robber isn't showing "good interpersonal skills" because he was able to convince all patrons to sit by the wall and employees to open the vault.

> You are underestimating how effective a "management" technique is demonstrating that you can shoot underperforming minions.

It's not a great regular management technique, but its a great image management technique in the narrow sense that it effectively leverages survivorship bias (for both individuals and records) to favor the future positive perception of your management technique.

Re: Surely you're joking, Comrade Beria

#30
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are underestimating how effective a "management" technique is demonstrating that you can shoot underperforming minions. A lot of that "management" was simply terrorizing people to do your bidding. So, no, he most likely wasn't a good manager the same way a bank robber isn't showing "good interpersonal skills" because he was able to convince all patrons to sit by the wall and employees to open the vault.

I would also say not to underestimate the effort required to be in the position where you are making the threats rather than on the receiving end. A rise to that position also includes effectively managing your rivals into oblivion.

> I would also say not to underestimate the effort required to be in the position where you are making the threats rather than on the receiving end

That requires skill, but often more sales than management.

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