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Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by CyberDildonics »

GDC7 wrote: post #108
CyberDildonics wrote: post #107

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That's not a scam, that's you being upset at Tesla's stock price. You said Tesla would fold and silicon valley would end and what you really meant was "I'm frustrated with people buying into hype on twitter". This seems like the same old pattern of being hyperbolic to get attention, then walking everything back or ignoring what you actually said once someone replies to you.

> That's not a scam It's a scam. Tesla FSD/Autopilot or whatever they call it is the same thing as Theranos blood test. On top of that you have some other 10-15 avenues of crime, including the creative accounting , the constant lying , the securities fraud, the violent threats to whistleblowers, the rampant drug usage on the factory floor..shall I continue?

A scam would be if people gave them money and didn't get a car in return because there never was a car.

This is an unsourced list you repeat out of frustration. A public company valued way above what people can explain with hard assets is not the definition of a scam.

Also you didn't explain why it would be the "end" of silicon valley even though they are already moving to austin.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by GDC7 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #110
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #106

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> Tesla ... is worth 1.1 Trillion dollars Well that's just it, isn't it? Their book value is closer to 0.027 Trillion dollars. Beyond that is faith. The value of a thing is worth what someone's willing to pay for it, and that willingness changes.

Tesla's market cap is 1.1 Trillion dollars. https://www.google.com/finance/quote/TSLA:NASDAQ You can debate the rest with other people, I'm talking about the current state of reality.

Market cap and the stock are tesla most successful products.

1.1T for a brand which represent 1/200th of the cars in the US.

Globally they are something like 1/1000th .

This is a scam.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by CyberDildonics »

GDC7 wrote: post #112
CyberDildonics wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla's market cap is 1.1 Trillion dollars. https://www.google.com/finance/quote/TSLA:NASDAQ You can debate the rest with other people, I'm talking about the current state of reality.

Market cap and the stock are tesla most successful products. 1.1T for a brand which represent 1/200th of the cars in the US. Globally they are something like 1/1000th . This is a scam.

That is you frustrated with what people are paying on the open market. Nothing stops you from shorting the stock and in fact many sharp people have, with varying success.

Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silicon valley.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by GDC7 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #113
GDC7 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Market cap and the stock are tesla most successful products. 1.1T for a brand which represent 1/200th of the cars in the US. Globally they are something like 1/1000th . This is a scam.

That is you frustrated with what people are paying on the open market. Nothing stops you from shorting the stock and in fact many sharp people have, with varying success. Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silicon valley.

> Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silicon valley.

The free market has rules in place to punish fraudsters and promoters.

But because tesla is seen as "green" all those things are on hold for Musk.

Much like they were on hold for Holmes who was the golden girl who'd revolutionize our health.

> Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silicon valley.

Both Holmes and Musk would have never been funded on the East Coast.

They'd have been advised to check into a clinic to get rid of their drug habits, go to therapy to solve their personal issues and maybe they'd have gotten a 25k investment.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by gregjor »

alpanka wrote: post #81
gregjor wrote: post #6

Anyone can make expensive cars in a tent factory with human robots. But Tesla comes with crypto hype, a Twitter-addicted founder, and fanboy cult membership. If Consumer Reports had considered those factors the ratings would have turned out different.

Looking forward to see how Elon tweets himself out of this one.

Tesla has been near the bottom of CR reliability rankings for a while, this isn’t new. My Mazda dealership had the CR list prominently on display (with Mazda at the top last year). Musk has dismissed the CR rankings while touting Teslas’s great scores on crash tests and safety, and their sales numbers and apparent popularity.

My comment was sarcastic. I know several Tesla owners who seem very happy with their choice. Customer satisfaction seems higher than the CR rankings merit. Similarly I know people who love Jeeps, although that brand also gets low marks.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by waiseristy »

culopatin wrote: post #43
waiseristy wrote: post #38

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As long as you’re not heaving against the door as you open the latch the window will retract in time. If the battery went stone cold dead, you’d have to break the glass. But you would also have to do the same thing with every single other car with frameless windows

Do you? My Miata doesn’t have that problem, the window just rests against the rubber, doesn’t tuck under it. However, I now understand why it is so noisy lol

Didn't know that! The cars I've owned with frameless windows, the glass tucks under piece of trim. Makes sense that the miata design is a little noisy!

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by waiseristy »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #58
waiseristy wrote: post #38

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As long as you’re not heaving against the door as you open the latch the window will retract in time. If the battery went stone cold dead, you’d have to break the glass. But you would also have to do the same thing with every single other car with frameless windows

What about a car without frameless windows (IE, most cars) ?

Then none of this would be a problem. The issue is that frameless windows usually need electricity to operate

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by closetohome »

commoner wrote: post #21
ryzvonusef wrote: post #16

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On topic though, if they are so unreliable, why are do they have such high consumer satisfaction ratings? https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... Maybe I just don't understand the American car consumer market, or may there is a difference in the magnitude of measurements. ---- Also, I hear people in Europe preferring the Shanghai made cars over the Fremont made one (for having better fit and f…

Tesla isn't the only brand that has received an Excellent rating for owner satisfaction but a Poor rating for reliability from Consumer Reports surveys. Dyson also earned the same two ratings for several of its stick vacuums in 2019: https://www.consumerreports.org/stick-vacuums/dyson-stick-va... Some brands just seem to command more loyalty from their customers than the quality of their products can justify.

Failure rate isn't the only metric that affects customer satisfaction. If the product works better than any of its competition, but has a 10% rate of complete failure (which is insanely high for a retail product), you're still going to have 90% customer satisfaction.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by CyberDildonics »

GDC7 wrote: post #114
CyberDildonics wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is you frustrated with what people are paying on the open market. Nothing stops you from shorting the stock and in fact many sharp people have, with varying success. Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silicon valley.

> Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silicon valley. The free market has rules in place to punish fraudsters and promoters. But because tesla is seen as "green" all those things are on hold for Musk. Much like they were on hold for Holmes who was the golden girl who'd revolutionize our health. > Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silico…

Nothing you have said has been based in reality. You haven't given any sources for what you said or reasons for your predictions. It's obvious this is just a motivated rant from your frustrations with tesla's stock price, silicon valley and who knows what else.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Post by GDC7 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #119
GDC7 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silicon valley. The free market has rules in place to punish fraudsters and promoters. But because tesla is seen as "green" all those things are on hold for Musk. Much like they were on hold for Holmes who was the golden girl who'd revolutionize our health. > Again, that's not what a scam is and it has nothing to do with the 'end' of silico…

Nothing you have said has been based in reality. You haven't given any sources for what you said or reasons for your predictions. It's obvious this is just a motivated rant from your frustrations with tesla's stock price, silicon valley and who knows what else.

For you reality is only about the price of the stock.

By the same token you'd have thought that Amazon was the best thing since sliced bread back in 1999

Then when it crashed 97% you'd have thought it was on its deathbed ready to be cannibalized by Barnes&Noble

Then when it reached new peaks after 2010 up to now...right back up there being the best thing since sliced bread.

In reality the analysis of the balance sheets through the years + Bezos letters to investors point out to a much more nuanced and steady climb, independent of stock price action. Amazon didn't need to look at stock price at all ,because it achieved its growth via internally produced FCF and the re-investment of it.

FCF which Tesla never produced and so they decided to create a cult to oversell overhyped equity to disciples/bigger fools who trade based on sentiment and without understanding any fundamentals.

Finally if you can't see any evidence in a carmaker with quality issues trading at 310 times earnings, then you won't accept any other evidence (which btw I provided)

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