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Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by natpalmer1776 »

donohoe wrote: post #36
wonderwonder wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would acknowledging that men are discriminated against minimize the concern for discrimination against women? Its ok to focus on more than 1 thing. Discrimination is wrong, never really understood the purpose of 'whataboutism'.

I am not saying that. But there are many (typically men's rights orgs) who seize on stories like this to say that 'enough is enough and truly it is us men who are being marginalized [in ways beyond what the article says]' and thats not at all true.

So call out articles from those organizations that are creating a false narrative. "Getting ahead of the curve" on articles like this only serve to muddy the waters even further and create more opportunities for bad faith arguments.

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by commandlinefan »

bluetomcat wrote: post #28

Why is that a problem? There are countless other "immutable" characteristics on which an employer can discriminate candidates. It ultimately comes down to finding a good fit for the particular culture of the particular workplace. For every candidate that is discriminated at one workplace, there is another workplace which would welcome them and discriminate members from the first workplace.

> discriminate members from the first workplace.

Well, no, there isn't. Organizations can and do get sued out of existence for specific types of discrimination.

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Post by kreeben »

blitz_skull wrote: post #39
crate_barre wrote: post #16

Humans gonna human. No one group is particularly more righteous, as much as the recent zeitgeist wants to lull us into this belief. Many people even believe that countries would be better off if mostly women ran it. Well, all you’d have is a bunch of corrupt women instead of a bunch of corrupt men.

How dare you suggest the problem is intrinsically in us all!

How dare you not try and cancel this evil person?

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by echopurity »

Causality1 wrote: post #21

I mean it was obvious, but scientific study confirming things "everybody knows" is science in the purest and truest sense.

Imagine believing this is obvious, confirmed, and the truest science. Now imagine a website that upvotes this. Welcome to HN.

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by dTal »

eckesicle wrote: post #64

Upon reading the headline I immediately wondered if childcare and cleaning were in the set of the female dominated careers. My hypothesis is that men are considered much much riskier hires for certain roles. The reason I thought of these two roles in particular is because socially I've often heard expressed worries that men in daycare are more likely to be sex offenders, and for cleaning I've often come across the se…

That sounds like pretty standard out-group stigmatization that you also hear applied to immigrants, people of color etc...

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by flerovium »

It's worth noting that Sweden falls on the far end of the political/social spectrum with respect to gender law and culture.

EDIT: not sure why the downvote: being on the far end of a political spectrum isn't necessarily a bad thing. Citation: [1]

[1] https://www.oecd.org/els/emp/last-mile-longest-gender-nordic...

Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by vanderZwan »

sundvor wrote: post #70
endymi0n wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note the hypothesis about risk being a predominantly male trait is also consistent at the other end with men making up 90%+ of prison population in pretty much any form of government or society. I haven't heard many feminists argue for a female quota in prisons yet.

Or workplace deaths, 10:1, or suicides 3.5:1 or higher.

Claiming that feminism does not talk about these issues is at best a sign of naivety about feminism and at worst being disingenuous.

One may disagree with their conclusion that the origin of these problem also has to do with patriarchy, but to claim that these forms of suffering that disproportionately affect men are ignored by feminists is false.

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Post by johnchristopher »

daenz wrote: post #26
dagw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or at least men tend to _be given_ more leadership responsibilities.

I do get your point, but leadership is sometimes unique in that it requires an individual to take the role.

Keyword being sometimes. Are we debating exceptions that contradict the existence of the problem at large ?
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