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Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by QuercusMax »

debacle wrote: post #59
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #46

A nice quote[0]: > Nutella maker, Ferrero, launched an advertising campaign in response to reassure customers that their product is safe. The company insists on keeping their recipe the same, claiming that “making Nutella without palm oil would produce an inferior substitute for the real product, it would be a step backward,” according to Fererro’s purchasing manager, Vincenzo Tapella. The smooth texture Tapella is r…

Funny, because hazelnut spread without palm oil tastes 500% better than with.

Yeah, without the palm oil filler, it tastes much more of chocolate and hazelnut. Even better if you get rid of a bunch of the sugar, as well - Nutella is pretty much the same as cake frosting when you break it down.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by kazinator »

mleonhard wrote: post #97
kazinator wrote: post #74

If palm oil killed cancer cells, would that make it appealing and safe to eat? If errantly reproducing cells can use a substance, it must be bad: is that the reasoning here? I would imagine that a source of water also favors tumor expansion. Cut a tumor off H2O and it will shrivel and die.

I think you did not read the article. In the future, please put more effort into your comments or refrain.

FWIW, whatever I'm doing somehow got me ~6.4 times your karma points, in 7 years vs. your 13.

(Could be that I'm just throwing a lot more shit at the wall, more of which is sticking than not.)

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by wahern »

caeril wrote: post #83
wongarsu wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have selective pressure to survive cancer for the first 40 years of our life (and not just barely survive but be unhindered by it). After that there are more subtle selective forces at work: having grandparents that are in good health and helping find food or care for children can certainly improve your survival chances. And of course the machinery we have developed to survive the first 40 years doesn't suddenly s…

> having grandparents that are in good health and helping find food or care for children Maybe, certainly since the advent of nuclear families. But our much longer genetic lineage selects around tribes, such that direct grandparents' longevity may not be as critically important. Third-and-fourth cousins likely easily filled this role.

> our much longer genetic lineage selects around tribes

Out of curiosity, do you have any citations regarding prevalence of exogamy vs endogamy in tribal societies?

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by imtringued »

podgaj wrote: post #95
f6v wrote: post #47

For everyone spooked by this. Cancer thrives on many things. And there’s little survival advantage for people who can effectively fight cancer after their reproductive age. All novel carcinogens aside(radiation, air pollution, baby powder), humans often are just not equipped to fight cancer. Certain diets probably can make it a bit better or worse, but they might not be the game changer. Our best bet is technology, l…

Palmitic acid affects oxidative stress. This is not only important in cancer, but in heart disease as well. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00144... https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/354235 On the role of Oxidative Stress and cancer, it's complicated, but it is there: https://www.med.or.jp/english/pdf/2001_12/535_539.pdf (PDF) Go to Trader Joe's and look at the ingredients, everything has…

I don't know anything about palamitic acid but I know that carbs are the stronger driver of heart disease in our diet. Apparently everything causes cancer and heart disease and it's the 19th century people that magically avoided heart disease.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

QuercusMax wrote: post #111
debacle wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, because hazelnut spread without palm oil tastes 500% better than with.

Yeah, without the palm oil filler, it tastes much more of chocolate and hazelnut. Even better if you get rid of a bunch of the sugar, as well - Nutella is pretty much the same as cake frosting when you break it down.

Well, if you ditch the palm oil and sugar leaving nuts and raw chocolate, I dare say it even gets healthy. Maybe they could do that - they could then return to their marketing campaign presenting Nutella as healthy (in small servings!) and avoid hefty fines for lying to their customers.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by podgaj »

imtringued wrote: post #114
podgaj wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palmitic acid affects oxidative stress. This is not only important in cancer, but in heart disease as well. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00144... https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/354235 On the role of Oxidative Stress and cancer, it's complicated, but it is there: https://www.med.or.jp/english/pdf/2001_12/535_539.pdf (PDF) Go to Trader Joe's and look at the ingredients, everything has…

I don't know anything about palamitic acid but I know that carbs are the stronger driver of heart disease in our diet. Apparently everything causes cancer and heart disease and it's the 19th century people that magically avoided heart disease.

Both carbs and fats will cause mitochondria disfunction at high doses and lead to disease. There are just some of them that do it faster than others as well.

In the 19th century common folk did not have access to the large amount of calories as we do today. Plus there was much lower air pollution, pesticides, etc. To compare someone's health outcomes in the 19th century to someone living today is impossible. So all we can focus on is the now. And today we have an awful lot more people with metabolic disorders walking around.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by QuercusMax »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #115
QuercusMax wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, without the palm oil filler, it tastes much more of chocolate and hazelnut. Even better if you get rid of a bunch of the sugar, as well - Nutella is pretty much the same as cake frosting when you break it down.

Well, if you ditch the palm oil and sugar leaving nuts and raw chocolate, I dare say it even gets healthy. Maybe they could do that - they could then return to their marketing campaign presenting Nutella as healthy (in small servings!) and avoid hefty fines for lying to their customers.

That sounds amazingly delicious and I wish I could buy that.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by dt3ft »

mleonhard wrote: post #98
dt3ft wrote: post #23

Who sponsored this study?

The sponsors are listed at the end of the article. In the future, please read the article before commenting. Please refrain from posting low-effort comments.

My apologies, I was looking for a heading at the end of rhe article, but the sponsors were listed as a part of the article body.

For those wondering:

> The study has been funded by Worldwide Cancer Research, the Asociación Española Contra el Cáncer, the Marató de TV3, the BBVA Foundation, the European Research Council, the Government of Catalonia, the Ministry of Science and Innovation of the Government of Spain, the Lilliane Bettencourt Foundation, “la Caixa” Foundation, the National Cancer Institute and the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by mleonhard »

kazinator wrote: post #112
mleonhard wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you did not read the article. In the future, please put more effort into your comments or refrain.

FWIW, whatever I'm doing somehow got me ~6.4 times your karma points, in 7 years vs. your 13. (Could be that I'm just throwing a lot more shit at the wall, more of which is sticking than not.)

Your reply implies that your commenting style is good because a lot of people voted up your comments. That is an instance of the bandwagon fallacy [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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Post by richajak »

whalesalad wrote: post #24

Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face. Palm, Canola, Rapeseed, Soybean, etc, they're all terrible. I avoid this shit like the plague.

thanks to bring attention about canola oil, worse than palm oil. It is a genetically modified oil, invented in modern time to remove toxicity of the original property.
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