I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
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Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
#152If you have a mental illness you can't really be held responsible for the things you did when you weren't in control of yourself. Legally speaking this is true. It should be true socially as well. "I screwed up, I was experiencing a paranoid delusion" should be enough.
However, you can be held responsible for failing to manage your known mental illness.
I've worked with several people who have mental illnesses. I don't hold a grudge against them for things they said and did when experiencing a paranoid delusion. I do hold them responsible for managing their illness in the future.
Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, I’m genuinely confused here. I asked his defenders if they support his views on race science, and brought up the possibility that people dislike him for reasons other than the 2017 event. Your position is that it’s impolite to bring up a writer’s body of work because… why? Edit: It’s kind of hard not to interpret your post as “I believe in race science and it makes me uncomfortable to be asked a question like…
> Your position is that it’s impolite to bring up a writer’s body of work No, just that one topic. It has this uncanny ability to produce unconstructive discussions where people talk past each other and accuse each other of all manner of things they didn't say...
Rather than answering the question about your opinion about “the whole race/IQ debate” (your words), you’re going out of your way to… what? Admonish me for being rude for bringing up the literal topic at hand (a public writer and possible reasons why he would have negative attention)?
Also, I don’t think “the whole race/IQ debate” is a real thing that people engage in for germane reasons, so you didn’t do a stellar job not answering the question :)
Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Your position is that it’s impolite to bring up a writer’s body of work No, just that one topic. It has this uncanny ability to produce unconstructive discussions where people talk past each other and accuse each other of all manner of things they didn't say...
Rather than answering the question about your opinion about “the whole race/IQ debate” (your words), you’re going out of your way to… what? Admonish me for being rude for bringing up the literal topic at hand (a public writer and possible reasons why he would have negative attention)? Also, I don’t think “the whole race/IQ debate” is a real thing that people engage in for germane reasons, so you didn’t do a stellar j…
I didn't admonish you, I explained why you were getting downvoted and flagged. And you told me I was racist. What more is there to say?
Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
#155It is not, in fact, "unambiguously a lie" to relate to others deBoer's grave (and admitted, and unambiguously real) misconduct without the full context of his mental illness. People are entitled to form their own opinions about deBoer's credibility, and he is not entitled to set conditions on how they do that.
You softened "condemn" to "relate misconduct." I'm going to rankly speculate you did this because, "I am a Hacker News and I can condemn anyone for any reason I goddamned please," while a valid counterargument, would have been a bad look.
I can and will condemn deBoer for any reason I goddamned please. I don't feel like that's a "look" of any sort. I don't need his permission to find him odious.
Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rather than answering the question about your opinion about “the whole race/IQ debate” (your words), you’re going out of your way to… what? Admonish me for being rude for bringing up the literal topic at hand (a public writer and possible reasons why he would have negative attention)? Also, I don’t think “the whole race/IQ debate” is a real thing that people engage in for germane reasons, so you didn’t do a stellar j…
I didn't admonish you, I explained why you were getting downvoted and flagged. And you told me I was racist. What more is there to say?
That’s fascinating because I didn’t ask why I’m getting downvoted, thanks for the uh, friendly unrequested… help with… internet points?
It’s fascinating that you cannot actually respond to my original post at all, yet are compelled to post nonetheless. I admire your sense of civic duty, because it’s definitely not some silly nonsense meant to avoid discussing the subject matter that I’ve brought up in order to carry water for an apparently quite-popular race scientist.
Let’s try a fun experiment:
Can you respond to this question?: “Considering the fact that the guy that’s whining about not being liked enough happens to write about race science, do you think maybe that that could contribute to people not liking him?”
To clarify, it’s a yes or no question as to whether or not you’re capable of answering that question in the negative or affirmative.
Also I didn’t call you a racist, I implied that you may (for a kaleidoscope’s worth of possible reasons) be going out of your way defending one. There are plenty of reasons that people carry water for racist kooks that don’t involve being in the club! I’m not sure what you’ve gotten from this interaction aside from maybe scoring points with some folks that don’t take issue with race science.
Not everybody is a full blown racist, there are also enthusiastic lackeys for those that are. There are people that will defend horrible shit because it makes them look cool in their social groups, hoping to gain points with folks that will literally never notice them, for example.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it’s clear that social media (or more broadly, “the internet”), is exacerbating mental health issues. At the very same time, the ability to connect with people around the world is undoubtedly also reducing mental health issues (for some) by building bridges to friendships and social connections they otherwise would not have. It is a double edged sword. The internet serves to amplify the extremes. At least tha…
We have two be careful (I have Schiozoaffective Bipolar Disorder) when going on to social media. I cannot use Facebook at all. For some reason it is always a huge trigger for me. On Twitter I go back and forth. Even Hacker News frustrates me when they keep telling me I am "posting too fast". Most times nothing is too fast for me. :) But in total, I would say some social media platforms are worse than others. I long f…
Your account has been rate limited. At some point, you did something wrong, and noone in administration could even be bothered to warn or tell you about it. That cryptic error message is what gets shown to you instead of anything descriptive. The only way to get it lifted is to email them and pinky promise never again to do the thing they didn't tell you you did in the first place. See this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29024255
Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
#158> But in fact I had not intended to cancel Harris; I hadn’t intended anything at all. I would have attacked him, physically, had he been present, over a pure delusion, which I say with shame I can’t put into words. But I was not thinking that I would hurt his reputation. I was not thinking of cause and effect in any conventional way. I was not in a mental state where I was capable of understanding long-term consequen…
The author should know that this attitude does absolutely nothing for anyone. Throwing blame back on other people for not understanding your hardships is self-serving and a fundamentally dismissive attitude. Mental issues do not absolve actions. You feel that you are not fully responsible for your actions and that is actually fine - but as a person who caused harm you should own your ACTIONS, full stop. "I fucked up.…
> I have asked that people consider that I deserve neither total condemnation nor total exoneration.
This seems to be an admission of responsibility to me.
Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't admonish you, I explained why you were getting downvoted and flagged. And you told me I was racist. What more is there to say?
That’s fascinating because I didn’t ask why I’m getting downvoted, thanks for the uh, friendly unrequested… help with… internet points? It’s fascinating that you cannot actually respond to my original post at all, yet are compelled to post nonetheless. I admire your sense of civic duty, because it’s definitely not some silly nonsense meant to avoid discussing the subject matter that I’ve brought up in order to carry…
I'm not going to engage with you on this topic. Try reddit.
Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty
#160Of course, my brain read the word in the headline as "Clojure", and so I was expecting "Honesty" to be the name of a new Lisp dialect. I think I need to get out more...
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