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Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#61
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For everyone spooked by this. Cancer thrives on many things. And there’s little survival advantage for people who can effectively fight cancer after their reproductive age. All novel carcinogens aside(radiation, air pollution, baby powder), humans often are just not equipped to fight cancer. Certain diets probably can make it a bit better or worse, but they might not be the game changer. Our best bet is technology, l…

> humans often are just not equipped to fight cancer

But we are? The immune system is constantly at work killing malignant (or otherwise dysfunctional) cells. Cells themselves have mechanisms to commit suicide (apoptosis) if they are not working properly.

It's only when the several mechanisms we have get defeated at the same time (often due to mutations) that cancer can even develop.

If you mean, we are not as equipped as elephants or whales to fight cancer, then that's true.

> there’s little survival advantage for people who can effectively fight cancer after their reproductive age

There's some advantage, but as far as nature's concerned, there's indeed diminishing returns. As in, for the individual that has already reproduced there's no reason to stay alive, but this is beneficial for the offspring - until they are adults. So there's some selective pressures there, specially if you are competing against another group.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#62

Yet another thing on the cancerogenic pile sigh At some point you have to ask yourself if everything but water gives us cancer.

To be honest, we're in a constant state of almost having cancer, it's just that our immune system handles the little stuff before it gets out of control. Nothing causes cancer, but certain things tip the scales towards the cancer getting out of control. (about is all simplified of course)

And also things can directly cause cancer by directly damaging DNA in the right places at the right time.

No need to take the optimistic route.

If it makes you feel better: some cancers.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#63
post #7

Interesting article. One thing to note is that this study seemed to (correct me if I'm wrong) focus on palmitic acid, which can be found primarily in palm oil, but can also be found in meat, cheese, and butter, to name a few other sources.

Starting from about 6 years ago, Palm Oil began showing up in practically everything, even those foods you wouldn't expect to find it. Check the ingredient list in that jar of peanut or almond butter. I make a point of buying peanut or almond butter that has only one ingredient.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#64
post #7

Interesting article. One thing to note is that this study seemed to (correct me if I'm wrong) focus on palmitic acid, which can be found primarily in palm oil, but can also be found in meat, cheese, and butter, to name a few other sources.

Everything at this market contains substances known to the State of California to cause cancer

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#65
post #7

Interesting article. One thing to note is that this study seemed to (correct me if I'm wrong) focus on palmitic acid, which can be found primarily in palm oil, but can also be found in meat, cheese, and butter, to name a few other sources.

To clarify - you're not saying that meat, cheese, and butter include palm oil, but rather just one particular naturally-occurring chemical component of palm oil which occurs naturally in many sources. Palmitic acid is just a long-chain fat molecule.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#66
post #7

Interesting article. One thing to note is that this study seemed to (correct me if I'm wrong) focus on palmitic acid, which can be found primarily in palm oil, but can also be found in meat, cheese, and butter, to name a few other sources.

Well that's the most horrifying sentence I've read in the past few months.

Why is it horrifying? That a naturally occurring long-chain fatty acid is found in multiple natural sources? The parent comment is NOT indicating that palm oil is in these things.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#67

Yet another thing on the cancerogenic pile sigh At some point you have to ask yourself if everything but water gives us cancer.

If I couldn't grow it or raise it 100 years ago, I don't want to eat it. Open to being convinced otherwise.

Of note is the monstrosities we call chickens today are a product of breeding contests in the 1940s [0] (but does that mean there is anything wrong with eating them? who's to say).

It seems a lot more people today are taking a critical look at what they eat, though often excluding broad categories based on feeling rather than hard science. At first this looks reactionary, but on closer inspection one realizes that the science involved is typically biased or just lacking. We've invested comparatively little into understanding the downsides of modern food products like vegetable oil, but the little windows we have indicate they may be causing whole hosts of human maladies from dementia to type 2 diabetes [1]. Nutrition constitutes the inputs to the complex biological system, and large changes (eg disease) can end up being the result of nonlinear processes started by changing these inputs. Another example is a lack of magnesium in the western diet, through both soil depletion and food processing, leading to large scale deficiencies [2].

What's really dizzying, though, is that this information isn't widely known, and is typically found through either self-directed study or through listening to podcasts. When the average person makes decisions regarding their nutrition, they're relying on outdated and probably harmful advice, despite intending to make "healthy" choices. Maybe we need an app to scan a barcode or read a list of ingredients and respond with the known potential for harm and confidence. All I know is I'll never look at fried chicken the same way again (unless it's fried in lard, of course).

[0] https://livestock.extension.wisc.edu/articles/the-chicken-of... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20190303234503id_/http://pdfs.se... [2] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11104-013-1781-2

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#68
post #7

Interesting article. One thing to note is that this study seemed to (correct me if I'm wrong) focus on palmitic acid, which can be found primarily in palm oil, but can also be found in meat, cheese, and butter, to name a few other sources.

There's some amount of palmitic acid in pretty much every dietary fat. Animal sources tend to be higher than seed oils, but e.g. olive oil, that many people like to tout as the healthiest, is something like 10-20% palmitic acid.

It's also the most abundant fatty acid in you, even if you don't eat any.

There's also a skeleton inside you right now! Spooky.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#69
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palm oil seems to be in everything.

It's a cheap oil in Asia due to a bunch of countries trying to develop their agriculture by planting palm (Indonesia etc.) Makes me think twice about having yan yan snacks and pocky's.

And in parts of West Africa, palm oil is the principal oil used in many recipes. Before Western vegetable oils were introduced to that part of the world, palm oil was the number one oil used in cooking, followed by groundnut (peanut) oil. A place like that would be the ideal place to study the effects of palm oil.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#70

Yet another thing on the cancerogenic pile sigh At some point you have to ask yourself if everything but water gives us cancer.

If I couldn't grow it or raise it 100 years ago, I don't want to eat it. Open to being convinced otherwise.

> If I couldn't grow it or raise it 100 years ago, I don't want to eat it

Humans have been barbecuing meat for millennia. Possibly even before Homo Sapiens Sapiens was around. And yet, it has carcinogenic properties, specially if charred.

What's so special about 100 years ago anyway? 1000 might make a difference - but then again, life expectancy wasn't that great back then.

It's only because we are living so much that cancer is such a large problem. Also because, due to modern medicine, we can often diagnose the person before they just get sick and die from 'unknown' reasons.

Your best bet is to eat food from as many different sources as you can and not eat too much of any single specific thing (which is a modern thing btw, 100 years ago, it wouldn't be as easy to do) and let averages do the rest.

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