Earlier quoted context omitted.
It feels like an impossible goal.
Moderation or AGI?
Why not both?
Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
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Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
>the right [...] black people and LGBTQ A clever elision of what each group mentioned is actually saying... Which one is most like the Mafia, I wonder?
When one Mafia family turns another one in, they're doing it to get back at the other family--they're not doing it because they think that crime is a bad thing. They're perfectly happy with crime, as long as they are the ones committing the crime. It's the exact same thing for censorship. The people who are complaining about Facebook censorship don't want to end censorship. It's just that they want to be the ones doi…
Comparing Facebook to the cops and ideologically aligned groups of users to Mafia families is a strange analogy. Not sure why you chose it, except maybe to imply things.
One of the things that your analogy implies is that speech is criminal. Many, including the actual cops, believe certain kinds of speech indeed are. But who is saying what?
Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
#23This is just another case of "police cracks down on Mafia" when it's one section of the Mafia turning in another disfavored section of the Mafia to the police. I've yet to see a recent complaint about inconsistent and discriminatory Facebook censorship say that Facebook should just stop censoring. It's always "Facebook isn't doing enough to censor against the right and in favor of black people and LGBTQ".
I see plenty of right wing politicians and commentators (and also, though not recently, my extremely left wing ex) complaining that it was censoring their political views unfairly. Very recently, I have even seen some call for an end to algorithmic timelines, though ironically I can’t find a link.
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#24Why does it say in an article about Arabic, "In Afghanistan, where hate speech is reportedly one of the top 'abuse categories.'..." Arabic is not spoke in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, there is common ignorant generalization that Arabic is the language of Iran, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries. To those who live there, the distinction is not insignificant. This also casts doubt on the veracity of everything else…
Some language nerdiness: Persian (Farsi), and main languages of Afghanistan (Pashto and Tajik) are all indo-european, so the same language family as Indian Subcontinent and (most) European languages.
Arabic is from a whole different family tree of Semitic languages, which also includes Hebrew and Maltese (go figure). They are totally different to indo-european languages.
Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
#25Moderating is so hard it will probably the first application for AI with generalized intelligence.
> Controlling humans will probably the first application for AI with generalized intelligence.
Sounds good to me. Let's do it. Can we get Zuckerberg on the line?
Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this is true in your experience, you ought broaden your horizons on the topic. If nothing else, there are certainly plenty of complaints about facially-reasonable-ish policies being implemented in an insane and incoherent manner — like when Facebook or Google take down "extremist content," but it's like video archives of extremists intended to be used to fight war crimes and bring their perpetrators to justice. e.…
Of course Facebook censorship is insane and incoherent. But pretty much no widely publicized complaint about these ever says "Facebook censorship is insane and incoherent, so Facebook should stop censoring". They just want to be the ones in control of the censorship instead.
If you don't moderate content, everything turns into 4chan. And for those two want that, 4chan already exists.
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#27Why does it say in an article about Arabic, "In Afghanistan, where hate speech is reportedly one of the top 'abuse categories.'..." Arabic is not spoke in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, there is common ignorant generalization that Arabic is the language of Iran, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries. To those who live there, the distinction is not insignificant. This also casts doubt on the veracity of everything else…
Follow the link to the WSJ article in the text you've quoted. [0] You'll see a similar conflation of "issues with automated Arabic moderation" and "Afghanistan".
In context, though, it appears to be less a confusion about which language is spoken there and more a narrative lift from the WSJ article. Said article's structure places more emphasis on the facticity of Facebook's AI-based moderation, which only successfully classifies and removes an estimate of 2% of viewed hate speech in any language, then introduces Afghanistan's lower rate as an (imperfect and frankly kinda silly) example of Facebook deprioritizing other languages' AI moderation.
[0] https://archive.md/6WXq4 due to paywall
Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this is true in your experience, you ought broaden your horizons on the topic. If nothing else, there are certainly plenty of complaints about facially-reasonable-ish policies being implemented in an insane and incoherent manner — like when Facebook or Google take down "extremist content," but it's like video archives of extremists intended to be used to fight war crimes and bring their perpetrators to justice. e.…
Of course Facebook censorship is insane and incoherent. But pretty much no widely publicized complaint about these ever says "Facebook censorship is insane and incoherent, so Facebook should stop censoring". They just want to be the ones in control of the censorship instead.
One example of allowing everything is the mass murder of New Zealand mosque that was live streamed on Facebook, do you say that something like that should be allowed and Facebook cannot censor any content?
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#29Why does it say in an article about Arabic, "In Afghanistan, where hate speech is reportedly one of the top 'abuse categories.'..." Arabic is not spoke in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, there is common ignorant generalization that Arabic is the language of Iran, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries. To those who live there, the distinction is not insignificant. This also casts doubt on the veracity of everything else…
Welcome to the black-pilled media distrust group. Most of the time it's ignorance. Sometimes it's outright lies.
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#30Why does it say in an article about Arabic, "In Afghanistan, where hate speech is reportedly one of the top 'abuse categories.'..." Arabic is not spoke in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, there is common ignorant generalization that Arabic is the language of Iran, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries. To those who live there, the distinction is not insignificant. This also casts doubt on the veracity of everything else…
Josh, please read the sentence in context and don't make boring and wrong "gotchas".