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There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by Scoundreller »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #118
lhorie wrote: post #100

For just a bit of context/anecdata, I'm talking to my brother who lives in Vancouver and he wasn't even aware this was a problem. The road closure[0] on hwy 1 near Abbotsford/Chilliwack is a good one hour drive away from Vancouver core[1]. So while it sounds noteworthy for an entire city be technically flooded in, unless you were driving to the boonies, you're probably not actually impacted in any meaningful way. He…

The big issue is that the port in Vancouver is now essentially an island. Rail is impacted by this as well.

The CP mainline that washed out will take a while to fix, but the other mainline, CN, doesn’t seem to have taken any serious damage.

They’ll definitely have some cleanup somewhere, but that happens after every storm.

I hope the two have some mutual aid agreement to bypass over each others tracks.

Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by arcticbull »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #118
lhorie wrote: post #100

For just a bit of context/anecdata, I'm talking to my brother who lives in Vancouver and he wasn't even aware this was a problem. The road closure[0] on hwy 1 near Abbotsford/Chilliwack is a good one hour drive away from Vancouver core[1]. So while it sounds noteworthy for an entire city be technically flooded in, unless you were driving to the boonies, you're probably not actually impacted in any meaningful way. He…

The big issue is that the port in Vancouver is now essentially an island. Rail is impacted by this as well.

It's essentially a peninsula, it still has road and rail links to Washington State.

Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by cf100clunk »

Scoundreller wrote: post #159
cf100clunk wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are still some of us who have CB radios (with all their limitations acknowledged) in our vehicles for back country emergency use, and I occasionally see mobile ham radio operators. A Garmin inReach seems like it would be a good addition.

CBs are good for the forest service roads so you know when logging trucks are coming or going.

You'll need a special VHF radio for that kind of traffic tracking on Forest Service Roads in BC, and there are specific usage patterns you must follow:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/natural-resource...

A CB radio doesn't help much with that, but it is just another means of possibly getting contact with others.

Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by emodendroket »

ashtonkem wrote: post #143
ghaff wrote: post #114

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>People also died in the back woods a lot more than they do now. That certainly could be true although I suspect a lot of people are also less prepared/careful today because they assume they can just call for help. And then they end up with a dead battery, no cell reception, or conditions are just such that rescue is delayed. That said, a cell phone probably should be on your "10 things to carry" list these days. And…

Also, more people are in the back woods these days for recreational purposes rather than pure necessity, which also confounds the numbers. The relationship between safety gear and risk taking attitudes seems to be relatively complicated, and none of the sources I’ve read have managed to pin down whether or not safety equipment reliably produced more risk taking behavior. Still, if I was in the habit of going further…

Compared to when? It's not like hiking is some new fad.

Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by nitrogen »

arcticbull wrote: post #164
cf100clunk wrote: post #157

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Perhaps the picture being painted by the media is not being accurately assimilated by you? This is real, and magnitude of the circumstances is dire.

Dire in what way? Vancouver still has the YVR airport, a seaport, ferries, a downtown float plane airport and both road and rail access to the US. There will be some impact to prices, I imagine, while the road and rail links to the rest of Canada are rebuilt.

I'm totally unfamiliar with the geography there; are peripheral cities and towns around Vancouver as unaffected as Vancouver itself? I can imagine it happening in some places I've lived, where the central city is humming along just fine and everyone inside the city is blind to the 50% of the population around the city that just got stranded and cut off from supplies.

Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by Mikeb85 »

ghaff wrote: post #152
Mikeb85 wrote: post #48

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I'm double vaxxed. I can enter the EU without a test. I can enter the US without a test. I can get an EU Green Pass without a test. So why is Canada's policy such? They REQUIRE proof of vaccination to enter, AND a test? Why? Edit - and yes I'm hung up on this. I don't want to pay $200+ dollars for a test I don't need. I got Covid in wave 1 before the first lockdown, I've done everything asked of us; masked, locked do…

You can't fly into the US without a test, even as a US citizen and even if you're fully vaccinated.

You can drive through the US without a test.

Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by blondie9x »

Spivak wrote: post #151
actually_a_dog wrote: post #122

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It makes me sad to see the parent comment grey (10:16 AM PST). You're absolutely correct that overconsumption is the root of the problem.

I think it's more nuanced than this. Like you're right that reducing consumption/commerce would help but it has trade-offs that lots of people don't jive with and isn't really the root of the problem which is waste. There is zero issue with goods made and distributed using renewables, or goods where non-renewables are reclaimed (i.e. metals, glass, certain plastics).

The problem is right now governments and enterprise is mostly focused on fixing supply side of the climate change and sustainability problem. Not enough is being done or discussed to reduce demand. Focusing on consumption changes is just as important as focusing on supply issue IMO.

Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by boborhythm »

Interestingly, there is a railroad line that goes north from Vancouver, through Whistler and Pemberton, but takes a different route than Highway 99 to get to Lillooet[1]. The highway (aka The Duffey, as it passes Duffey Lake) gains and then loses something like 1000m of elevation, whereas the railroad line is much flatter and travels along Gates Lake, Anderson Lake, and Seton Lake. There are dirt/gravel roads there too, but I'm not sure if they are used in the winter.

The railroad route is not used much these days, partly because of all the trains that fell into the lake due to how windy (edit: that's windy as in lots of turns, not windy as in lots of air blowing over it) the track is (e.g. [2]).

1: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/50.5405/-122.6157

2: https://www.trailtimes.ca/news/cn-freight-train-derails-alon...

Re: There is currently no way to drive between Vancouver and the rest of Canada

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Post by beebs93 »

emodendroket wrote: post #170
beebs93 wrote: post #34

One of my family members has been stuck just east of Hope, British Columbia[1] for almost two days now. There is currently no cell service, but luckily they have a Garmin inReach so we can communicate via its SMS feature. For anybody with friends/family in the area, the BC subreddit megathread[2] on this is a good starting place to get information on evacuations, power outage status, road closures, official relevant…

The Reddit thread seems to be largely given over to speculation about the complete collapse of society globally which is, in my opinion, getting just a little bit carried away and anyway not really informative.

Yeah, I noticed that a bit, too. I originally meant the megathread post itself. I try not to read too many comments in such threads on Reddit; regardless of the topic ;)
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