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Divorce does funny things

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Re: Divorce does funny things

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If you have much to do with family court you'd fully understand why suicide is a way out for men treated like sources of money with little other value. It would be quite educational for all men to attend family court as an observer prior to marriage. They might reconsider marriage as an institution altogether. Society itself might have to realise how badly things are set up. Maybe not. Everything's fine. Enjoy your s…

And yet if you bring up any of this, how men are financially/emotionally/psychologically raped in family courts, you're instantly labeled an MRA and the issue is dismissed entirely.

And people still have the nerve to shout hollow shit like "smash the patriarchy". Society can be quite sickening

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If you admit to loving someone new you've very likely already cheated at the emotional level if not the physical. Where do you draw the line?

Because you can't choose to feel or not to feel something. Emotions just happen. You do choose what you do with that emotion. I feel is totally ok to judge someone for their actions, not so much for things they have no control over.

Most people don't fall in love with people that they have set normal friendship boundaries with. Intimacy isn't just a physical thing. You do, in fact, have some degree of control over your emotions.

Re: Divorce does funny things

#253

I am going through it right now too. Very short background: * Wife abusive from the beginning * Sexless marriage as she refused * Beating herself up for years * She's not earning (highly qualified) * Did not take care of child or home either * Tried to frame me however I figured and escaped * Living separately now * She filed false and frivolous violence complaint against me * Not letting me meet my child * Court gra…

What is the alimony/ child support amount?

Re: Divorce does funny things

#254
post #164

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I've never heard of "cheated at the emotional level". I don't understand how this could be a thing, you don't control your emotions. You are however somewhat free to act on them or not.

It as a "thing" for those that have an unhealthy attachment style. Those in such situations will tend to be controlling and suspicious of every minor thing in order to fend of the possibility someone else "infiltrating" the relationship. Is is the typical scenario where one partner tries to isolate the other from their social circles. Depending on the culture, the fear is that such "emotional cheating" will either ev…

That is a complete red-pillesque reductive explanation that I'd expect to hear out of a MGTOW style community.

Intimacy happens at more than just the physical level, and most people reserve some types of intimacy (physical or emotional) for their significant other. When you cross the boundary of intimacy you normally set for people other than your significant other with someone else, that can easily be interpreted as disingenuous or betraying to your SO.

Re: Divorce does funny things

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Both sides lose, men usually do better. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/the- divorce-gap/480333/

Link is broken due to a space: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/the-div...

Or: http://archive.today/2020.06.11-123202/https://www.theatlant...

Re: Divorce does funny things

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It as a "thing" for those that have an unhealthy attachment style. Those in such situations will tend to be controlling and suspicious of every minor thing in order to fend of the possibility someone else "infiltrating" the relationship. Is is the typical scenario where one partner tries to isolate the other from their social circles. Depending on the culture, the fear is that such "emotional cheating" will either ev…

That is a complete red-pillesque reductive explanation that I'd expect to hear out of a MGTOW style community. Intimacy happens at more than just the physical level, and most people reserve some types of intimacy (physical or emotional) for their significant other. When you cross the boundary of intimacy you normally set for people other than your significant other with someone else, that can easily be interpreted as…

> That is a complete red-pillesque reductive explanation that I'd expect to hear out of a MGTOW style community

Precisely, I didn't mean for that comment to sound like an endorsement. Maybe I should have used a "/s" but it's not actually sarcasm, it was just meant to illustrate what some people believe. My bad. From the little I have seen, MGTOW fall into the trap of believing possessiveness is only applicable to women, along with other stereotyping misogynistic beliefs.

In case I actually gendered the explanation, I did not mean to. Either partner can be possessive. I do not know whether there are studies on which direction it happens more often.

> Intimacy happens at more than just physical the physical, and most people reserve some types of intimacy (physical or emotional) for their significant other. When you cross the boundary of intimacy you normally set for people other than your significant other with someone else, that can easily be interpreted as disingenuous or betraying to your SO.

The point is that each partners boundary is a personal thing, it may be agreed upon in a couple if it was discussed in advance and it can be shifted afterwards. And if it is discussed, it may be set in the same place for both partners or not. But by default, if it is not discussed, it is likely to be different. And people are likely to judge others assuming that everyone's boundary is in the same place.

The boundary can be set anywhere but it is important for each partner to know the other partners boundary and decide whether it is something they can live with or not, in which case it is better to find someone who is a better fit, otherwise the result will be resentment, betrayal and conflict.

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#257
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I’m going through this right now. I’ve done everything I could to try and save the marriage. My spouse is on the warpath. We have a 2 year-old daughter. I would be willing to work on myself and expect nothing in return for the rest of my life if it meant my daughter could go to the park with her mommy and daddy together. I cannot say the smallest part of how I feel. Unyielding personal torment and failure. Breaking u…

I have stood by a couple of friends over the years that went through really tough divorces. When you have children and the divorce is mostly forced on you it is very tough. It does funny things, as the article says. I told my friend once, with more insight than I realized at the time, something like this: “this will break you or make you something of a philosopher.” To that end I like the Stoics. A lot is out of our…

That reminds me of a Socrates quote "By all means marry. If you get a good wife, you'll be happy. If you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher."

Re: Divorce does funny things

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post #248

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> Woman filing for divorce more could be evidence for scenario 1, which is my interpretation of your post. This is not what I intended. I was just trying to counter the suggestion by me_im_counting that men are likely to do better following divorce because of reasons like (according to him) men find it easier to remarry, women are more likely to keep the kids, and men divorce in response to cancer. All of those, as e…

So following a divorce there are a number of factors that affect people's long term happiness: possibility of remarrying, quality of time spent to kids, amount of income lost due to childcare and amount of income paid to ex-spouse, and so on. We can assume overall these tend to impact men and women differently, with for example women tending to get more access to kids but losing income as they spend time on childcare…

> In that case even with worse outcomes from divorce for women, it might still make sense for women to file for divorce more often.

I don't understand. If bad marriages effect women more often then men, then women do better from divorce. The divorce initiation data doesn't tell us who's happier overall (insofar as such interpersonal utility comparisons even make sense), and I didn't make a claim about this. That data point only tell us who expects to benefit from divorce relative to where they are.

I think you're arguing against a position I don't have.

Re: Divorce does funny things

#259
Going through this myself as well. Sadly - divorce shouldn't be such a devastating process as it is (in the US).

Child support statues are incredibly flawed in certain states -- NYS in particular -- and lead to the process being more drawn out than it needs to be. NYS doesn't take child custody splits into account when it comes to setting child support, and as a result the "high earner" pays a pro-rata share based on relative income to the "low earner", irrespective of any custody arrangement.

[Edit to add] Exacerbating this is that it's generally cheaper to reach a settlement, instead of trying to advocate to actually fix the laws / statutes.

Re: Divorce does funny things

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a complete red-pillesque reductive explanation that I'd expect to hear out of a MGTOW style community. Intimacy happens at more than just the physical level, and most people reserve some types of intimacy (physical or emotional) for their significant other. When you cross the boundary of intimacy you normally set for people other than your significant other with someone else, that can easily be interpreted as…

> That is a complete red-pillesque reductive explanation that I'd expect to hear out of a MGTOW style community Precisely, I didn't mean for that comment to sound like an endorsement. Maybe I should have used a "/s" but it's not actually sarcasm, it was just meant to illustrate what some people believe. My bad. From the little I have seen, MGTOW fall into the trap of believing possessiveness is only applicable to wom…

Ah, sorry, I must have woken up and read that upside down.
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