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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by gknoy »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #44
inChargeOfIT wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about censoring Dislikes? This is in progress now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI&t=1s

I really hope this comes back to bite them. I already find myself not watching as many videos simply because I can't gauge the like/dislike ratio on them. In the short term I expect an explosion in clickbait and low quality videos because people won't be able to immediately see that the video is bogus from dislike counts. I suspect people will tend to retreat into watching the channels they already like and cut down…

I find what you said really interesting, mainly because I don't think I've _ever_ used likes or dislikes (or their ratio) as a metric for choosing what to watch. The most I've interacted with dislikes is when seeing some helpful low-production-value video, or some artist's music stream, I've wondered why 1-3% of the viewers disliked it. I mean, even when I've found _better_ or _more informative_ videos, I've never been tempted to dislike the previous ones I'd watched that weren't as good.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by arminiusreturns »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #8

I really want to stress that while the internet has enabled just about everyone to act as a citizen journalist, it is not the ubiquity of information that matters, but rather, the access to information. YouTube and Google wield great power when it comes to gatekeeping information. The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private com…

This is why everyone should read RMS's Right to Read story. Its not just about censoring the output, they want to censor our inputs too! While the RMS parable is less about censorship and more about drm its still relevant. [1]

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who are so bought into the tribalistic dialectic that, in the more recent version, they heard about all the censoring, they saw the people being censored were "those evil others" and said "yeah thats ok with me!", failing to understand the lack of principle would/will come for them next.

The beauty of it all is that I think the oligarchs are overplaying their hand to the point they are going to force a pendulum swing back the other way at some point. The counter-point to that is that with techno-tyranny at some point the oligarchs are going to be able to stop the pendulum swing.

1. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

bonus: Hitchens on freedom of speech, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2uzEM0ugY&t=0

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by 1cvmask »

shadowgovt wrote: post #38
1cvmask wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Are you sure you meant to toss the Maine in there? Because history strongly suggests that was a maintenance failure / expected consequence of the volatile coal used at the time. If anything, the story of the Maine proves the rule; it reminds us that sometimes conspiracies aren't .

Yes. They spread a whole bunch of conspiracies to justify the war. Those conspiracies were later proven to be bogus. The USS Maine was not blown up by the Spanish as the US media asserted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_Spanish-Amer...

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by nawgz »

HideousKojima wrote: post #41
martneumann wrote: post #13

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You are being very generous by calling them an "investigatory committee". They routinely compare the anti Covid measures by the German government to the Holocaust [1]. On the same site, you can also see that they touted the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. [1] https://www.psiram.com/de/index.ph…

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What does this piece of misdirection have to do with the fact that this channel promoted - falsely - anti-vaccine myths and in doing so made TOS-violating statements?

It is clear that government and corporation are both largely morally devoid institutions in the modern age, but this doesn't even rely on any traditional sense of trust. The data is published and we can see what it does and doesn't do, and if you want to discard that you mightaswell just take the kid gloves off and type something really offensive next

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by mannerheim »

LogonType10 wrote: post #50
HideousKojima wrote: post #30

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Also compare Grosskreutz's testimony to his statements to various news networks this past week, where he repeatedly contradicted his own sworn testimony.

He lied to the media but told the truth under oath? I'm surprised.

There was video evidence of everything he testified to under oath. If he had lied, it would have been obvious perjury.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by LogonType10 »

mannerheim wrote: post #56
LogonType10 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He lied to the media but told the truth under oath? I'm surprised.

There was video evidence of everything he testified to under oath. If he had lied, it would have been obvious perjury.

Thanks for the context.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by rat87 »

blumomo wrote: post #9

YouTube also just deleted the accounts of the German independent investigatory committee www.corona-ausschuss.de who are an important information source for many German citizen.

> German independent investigatory committee

Sounds like an official body or a body set up by prominent scientists

> www.corona-ausschuss.de

Seems to be a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists. I didn't 3ven have to look far for a description.

So good I'm glad YouTube is moderating their platform

https://m-tagesspiegel-de.translate.goog/luegen-und-hetze-im...

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by laurent92 »

poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #34
thepasswordis wrote: post #11

I think at this point we can just expect this stuff. The ridiculousness of it, though. The rekieta law stream (which is fantastic , btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YXd2M5E-8 ) has anywhere from 4-12 active lawyers giving commentary and context to everything that is happening. This is exactly the type of thing we dreamed about when we were first creating the internet. However: often times these smaller independ…

"Freedom of speech is overrated, I don't agree with it as a general principle"... It's a minority but the people who actually say this are just promoting increased government control of citizenry. Either they are naive or that's what they want.

They are delusional. I confronted my father about not being in favor of basic democratic principles (67, I’m 40), he maintained he wanted freedom of speech until, after a few targetted questions from myself, he admitted to having limits to it. Same for the right to vote, which he defends fiercely, except for the people who are under influence, foreign or otherwise.

Such horrible people maintain a doublespeak even in their own mind.

We’ve lost. We’ve lost.

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