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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by GenerocUsername »

skinkestek wrote: post #15

It is pretty amazing isn't it? Fun to work at Google these days? Get to manipulate the crowds big time? Edit: at least you have now gotten me to watch it. Seriously interesting. Good thing the kid has gotten a good lawyer.

"Manipulating crowds at scale is what we do"

"I wouldn't even know how to manipulate just 1 person... unless I am manipulating thousands of people, its just not worth my time as a engineer at Google."

"Its not evil if it encourages people to think correctly about issues"

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by shadowgovt »

_-david-_ wrote: post #3

Is it just me or does it seem like these "accidents" impact smaller and perhaps less politically authoritative channels than the big channels? I am not just talking about this incident but others as well.

I have no direct knowledge of YouTube's configuration, but my more general knowledge of how Alphabet does business suggests that high-business-value customers have company-internal guardians (in sales, advertising, or biz-dev) who are actually tasked with making sure nothing breaks on their services. I assume they do the same for high-biz-value channels, so I'd expect fewer accidents on bigger channels with more opportunity to make a mess for YT than smaller ones.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by poorjohnmacafee »

thepasswordis wrote: post #11

I think at this point we can just expect this stuff. The ridiculousness of it, though. The rekieta law stream (which is fantastic , btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YXd2M5E-8 ) has anywhere from 4-12 active lawyers giving commentary and context to everything that is happening. This is exactly the type of thing we dreamed about when we were first creating the internet. However: often times these smaller independ…

"Freedom of speech is overrated, I don't agree with it as a general principle"... It's a minority but the people who actually say this are just promoting increased government control of citizenry. Either they are naive or that's what they want.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by martneumann »

1cvmask wrote: post #19
martneumann wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being very generous by calling them an "investigatory committee". They routinely compare the anti Covid measures by the German government to the Holocaust [1]. On the same site, you can also see that they touted the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. [1] https://www.psiram.com/de/index.ph…

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None of these things relate to what the "Corona-Ausschuss" has been doing in any way. Just because the government does shady things, doesn't mean the quack theories by some people on the internet are suddenly correct. Especially when they do not believe Covid exists, or if it does that it's a bioweapon, which is apparently harmless for some reason, but masks don't work and vaccines don't work, either...

They also receive lots of support and attention from Russians state media. It is to be assumed that the Russian state has an interest in fanning the flames here and to sow doubt in the German government. Isn't it ironic that the Russian media in Germany pushes any negative vaccine story they can find to foster hesitancy, but urges its own population to get vaccinated ASAP in domestic media?

I will leave it at that.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by BitwiseFool »

fault1 wrote: post #12
BitwiseFool wrote: post #8

I really want to stress that while the internet has enabled just about everyone to act as a citizen journalist, it is not the ubiquity of information that matters, but rather, the access to information. YouTube and Google wield great power when it comes to gatekeeping information. The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private com…

Isn't this just a market opportunity for other companies? Google isn't the only company that owns the field of information retrieval. They just came the right place/right time after the .com crash.

In principle, yes. But Google seems to hold a unique position because of network effects. Countless YouTube clones have been created but none ever seem to gain enough critical mass to become viable competitors. Trying to build a competing platform on the value proposition of being anti-censorship is also fraught with perception issues.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by shadowgovt »

1cvmask wrote: post #19
martneumann wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being very generous by calling them an "investigatory committee". They routinely compare the anti Covid measures by the German government to the Holocaust [1]. On the same site, you can also see that they touted the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. [1] https://www.psiram.com/de/index.ph…

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Are you sure you meant to toss the Maine in there?

Because history strongly suggests that was a maintenance failure / expected consequence of the volatile coal used at the time. If anything, the story of the Maine proves the rule; it reminds us that sometimes conspiracies aren't.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by oopsyDoodl »

fault1 wrote: post #16
oopsyDoodl wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They own all IP, why would they be subject to automated scans?

There is many good reasons to "scan" _all_ content. How about spam, illegal content, or anything that violates their TOU? These days if you do not have a litany of algorithms performing these tasks, the worst case is that you'll end up like Facebook where genocide occured (in Myanmar) because the content was not in unicode and the detection systems couldn't "read" it. Like any other site, accounts with less "trust" a…

That’s a good point. scanAll() and applyAutomatedTakedownAI() would not be applied equally because of course big corp never pirates

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by GenerocUsername »

shadowgovt wrote: post #23
crocodiletears wrote: post #2

Note: the streams in the screenshot have since been restored.

It's entirely possible they were taken down in the first place because so many parallel streams of coverage on the same data tripped either a spam detector or an honest-to-God bug in the YouTube backend ("Hm... lots of parallel channels running the exact same bytes. I bet we can consolidate this if we just tee the stream sinks against a source that oops that's a hotspot ...").

doubt.

Over the last 6 years there have been toooooo many coincidences which go in 1 direction politically instead of equally in both directions.

You only need to flip a coin 5-6 times before you suspect it might be rigged... and after 100's of tosses there is no longer any question.

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