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Post by nudpiedo »

southerntofu wrote: post #97
nudpiedo wrote: post #42

Seems that google is not anymore the company it used to be advertised. The myth prevails though. It’s a pity as some of its services are frankly among the best, and I depend on them.

> Seems that google is not anymore the company it used to be advertised. Do you mean about the "Don't be evil" slogan it started with? Even back then, it was a pretty obvious move for any movie villain. Or do you mean you actually bought into the reliability promises of cloud providers thinking downtime would not exist anymore?

due their reliability and over the tp. It always overfelivered. during its first decade, If anyone read any of the books from its founders, papers, stories related to the company and them it seemed to be the new "non zero day" infrastructure, however the longer the company alive is the more it feels just like any other.

Unrelated: not sure what is going on on HN since a few months but almost all comments I get to write get automatically downvoted, even little things that no one should really care much about.

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Post by samhw »

not1ofU wrote: post #175
samhw wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, 'opinion' is a horrendously vague and ill-defined word. It does double duty as (i) 'normative value' and (ii) 'personal understanding of the descriptive facts', which two senses are constantly confused - for example right here. That's why we constantly get "it's just my opinion" used in reference to type-ii opinions (personal understanding of descriptive fact), when it's only really appropriate to type-i…

"Many conversations would be far clearer if it were abandoned in favour of more precise language, IMPUOTDF"... um whats IMPUOTDF? I did try to google it, but only this post was found.

Sorry, I was joking: 'in my personal understanding of the descriptive facts', referring back to that second definition of 'opinion' earlier in the comment.

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Post by 1ibsq »

stackbutterflow wrote: post #138
1ibsq wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other comments already explained it, but I'm wondering how you haven't come across this 'saying' before. It's so overused and also cheesy in my opinion.

People are born every day. Every day tens of thousands of people will hear about hacker news, the pyramids, Darth Vader being someone's father, for the first time.

It was not meant ill-willed. I was just wondering. Regarding what you said, I think I understand what your point is. On the other hand it makes some difference among whose people you ask - some things are much likelier to be common sense (or at least heard of) than in other places. Whatever.

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Post by com2kid »

xcambar wrote: post #51
ddalex wrote: post #37

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Googler here, not speaking on the behalf of the company, my opinions are my own People do absolutely NOT get fired over incidents. Making mistakes is human. An incident will prompt a review of the systems and safeguards in place to prevent such an incident, much like an airline incident investigation - basically "somebody fat-fingered it" is never the answer, postmortems are always blameless EDIT: now that I think of…

> Googler here, not speaking on the behalf of the company, my opinions are my own Why do employees at big tech names (FAANG et al.) are so often so cautious as to include this as a foreword everywhere? Twitter bios are full of that, for instance. It is crazy to me; who would expect anything else that our opinions being your own and nothing more? Who would expect that your word (with all due respect) is worth anything…

> It is crazy to me; who would expect anything else that our opinions being your own and nothing more?

Rumor mill journalists will mine social media and forum comments and write entire articles about "so and so FAANG employee gives hint at future merger" when some dev comments how much they've enjoyed using some library recently.

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Post by alpb »

kroolik wrote: post #9

There were outages around the same time last year. Somebody in the HN thread commented back then that the employees evaluation and promotion window ends around december/eoy, thus more releases are made. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_services_outages

> evaluation and promotion window ends around december

Googler here, that is not when those promotion/perf evaluation windows happen.

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Post by deepstack »

riffic wrote: post #149
kertoip_1 wrote: post #126

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The question is: should we trust small, underfunded, hobbyist servers more than large corporations that have a money-driven reason to maintain high quality of services?

for the average end user: heck no. for those with budgets to hire server administrators (or pay for third-party managed services)? yes. second category includes almost anyone with a large following like institutional users. hell the incumbent social media service operators can white-label their existing software and sell this as a service.

Not really many open source project such as nextcloud, mattermost are easy to host your self, or the hosting provider provide it as an app.
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