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Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by onethought »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #85
scollet wrote: post #82

Cool Sinophobia ITT

Dislike of the CCP is not Sinopobia, just as dislike of the Mob isn't anti-Italian. So many people really wish the CCP would just loosen their grip a bit so that foreigners/Westerners can have real, two-way relationships with Mainlanders. Honestly, at least in the circles I frequent, the biggest critics of the CCP are either (non-Mainland) Chinese themselves or Sinophiles. Other people simply don't care that much.

Do you mean CCP are popular within PRC? But less popular outside in the Chinese diaspora?

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by kasey_junk »

stransky wrote: post #96
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #86

Am I the only one deeply amused that the title of this article is prefixed by “Exclusive” while its content basically boils down to: “The representatives of the Chinese government in the USA are doing their job: representing the interests of China”?

It is not normal.

It’s one of the fundamental jobs of a foreign embassy to lobby on behalf of a countries trade & commercial interests.

In the US, the Foreign Commercial Service (and to some degree the Foreign Agriculture Service) are explicitly tasked with this job.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

#103

Post by OwlsParlay »

adminscoffee wrote: post #56

until china starts moving for better rights for their citizens, i am afraid they should be held at arms length. cannot trust a government that lies that over 1 million people are just being "re-educationed" and "happy" and "want to be there", there is a reason for distrust and it's not "xenophobic" to point out the regimes bs, the people of china deserve a better government. don't even get me started on hong kong. th…

It's really not the business of the US government to be sanctioning China over "better rights for their citizens", when the US has already got massive prison labour camps, racist policing system, and has mishandled the Cvid-19 pandemic to the point where there's a million dead and more injured long-term from long Covid.

China is not a perfect system, and the response to terrrorism in Xinjiang should probably not be extensive prison camps and a surveillance state - but again, the US doesn't have a leg to stand on for criticising this when their response to terrorism is to lay waste to several different countries and cause millions of deaths.

It's all very well for us to sit here and wish for a better system in China, but we all have a much better chance of fighting for and winning a better system here in the USA that would actually change lives here.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

#105

Post by TheFreim »

OwlsParlay wrote: post #103
adminscoffee wrote: post #56

until china starts moving for better rights for their citizens, i am afraid they should be held at arms length. cannot trust a government that lies that over 1 million people are just being "re-educationed" and "happy" and "want to be there", there is a reason for distrust and it's not "xenophobic" to point out the regimes bs, the people of china deserve a better government. don't even get me started on hong kong. th…

It's really not the business of the US government to be sanctioning China over "better rights for their citizens", when the US has already got massive prison labour camps, racist policing system, and has mishandled the Cvid-19 pandemic to the point where there's a million dead and more injured long-term from long Covid. China is not a perfect system, and the response to terrrorism in Xinjiang should probably not be e…

I don't understand your mindset, possibly you could expand a bit for me. Shouldn't the US try to improve China? Worst case scenario the US is hypocritical, but that doesn't mean it still shouldn't wield its power for good. Doesn't your position "make the perfect the enemy of the good"? I'm interested in hearing your response.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by onethought »

kelnos wrote: post #42
asplake wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That last part was both unnecessary and wrong. Globalisation has plenty of opponents on the left too.

I think it's too narrow to talk about it as simply "globalization". Globalization has done some really great things, like lifting millions of people out of poverty. But the US has also failed to keep itself competitive with China, and China has (unfairly, IMO, but I'm of course biased) taken advantage of the US's IP and talent (among other things) in order to increase their global influence and gain leverage over the…

Did China ever agree to respect “intellectual property”? I ask honestly, it isn’t an obvious concept that you Would expect to exist in all cultures.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

#107

Post by api »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #3

I wonder if the onset of globalization and offshoring US factories to China on top of Citizens United will be remembered as the US's "Fall of Rome" moment. The US essentially allowed the government to be bought and paid for by foreign entities and is relying on said countries for most manufactured goods. So now the other country can essentially say "Our laws are your laws otherwise we're not going manufacture your go…

Citizens United is a threat to national security and needs to be fixed with a constitutional amendment.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

#108

Post by DaedPsyker »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #3

I wonder if the onset of globalization and offshoring US factories to China on top of Citizens United will be remembered as the US's "Fall of Rome" moment. The US essentially allowed the government to be bought and paid for by foreign entities and is relying on said countries for most manufactured goods. So now the other country can essentially say "Our laws are your laws otherwise we're not going manufacture your go…

I'd say a good historical analogues (personal opinion ofc) would be the fall the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The political system was heavily fragmented and easily bought, and essentially foreign countries cheaply bought influence specifically to undermine the country. Selfishness doomed attempts at reform, and doomed the country as a whole.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by nextaccountic »

TheFreim wrote: post #105
OwlsParlay wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not the business of the US government to be sanctioning China over "better rights for their citizens", when the US has already got massive prison labour camps, racist policing system, and has mishandled the Cvid-19 pandemic to the point where there's a million dead and more injured long-term from long Covid. China is not a perfect system, and the response to terrrorism in Xinjiang should probably not be e…

I don't understand your mindset, possibly you could expand a bit for me. Shouldn't the US try to improve China? Worst case scenario the US is hypocritical, but that doesn't mean it still shouldn't wield its power for good. Doesn't your position "make the perfect the enemy of the good"? I'm interested in hearing your response.

But why China specifically? Why not wield this power to improve Saudi Arabia for example? (note that since the Saudis are allied and deeply rely on the US, it should be easier to sway them into doing good)

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by OwlsParlay »

TheFreim wrote: post #105
OwlsParlay wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not the business of the US government to be sanctioning China over "better rights for their citizens", when the US has already got massive prison labour camps, racist policing system, and has mishandled the Cvid-19 pandemic to the point where there's a million dead and more injured long-term from long Covid. China is not a perfect system, and the response to terrrorism in Xinjiang should probably not be e…

I don't understand your mindset, possibly you could expand a bit for me. Shouldn't the US try to improve China? Worst case scenario the US is hypocritical, but that doesn't mean it still shouldn't wield its power for good. Doesn't your position "make the perfect the enemy of the good"? I'm interested in hearing your response.

Unless the US improves itself first, then I don't think China is going to believe that the US is making these criticisms and imposing these sanctions with any kind of coherent moral framework. They're going to look at this as a way to restrict and punish them.
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