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Breakdown of data on homeless populations across the U.S.

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Re: Breakdown of data on homeless populations across the U.S.

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if you read the article you would know that the majority of the homeless population in nyc are sheltered as a 1979 class action lawsuit found that it was a constitutional right for the homeless to be sheltered.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/Socratic%20irony

I don’t really know what was meant by this link, but I can say someone I work with does this and it is infuriating. I never know if he is pretending or not when he asks for help. I can’t trust him.

Re: Breakdown of data on homeless populations across the U.S.

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I still have a difficult time understanding how increased homelessness is not a direct result of increased taxes and regulations. The data presented corroborates as much and though correlation doesn’t mean causation, correlation certainly doesn’t indicate a lack of causation either. We go to great lengths to justify the results when the simplest explanation is staring right at you.

I still have a difficult time understanding how increased homelessness is not a direct result of the number of comedy clubs per capita. The data presented corroborates as much and though correlation doesn’t mean causation, correlation certainly doesn’t indicate a lack of causation either. We go to great lengths to justify the results when the simplest explanation is staring right at you.

Yikes, to equivocate the impact of taxes and regulations to that of comedy clubs, I can’t imagine being so naive.

Re: Breakdown of data on homeless populations across the U.S.

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if you read the article you would know that the majority of the homeless population in nyc are sheltered as a 1979 class action lawsuit found that it was a constitutional right for the homeless to be sheltered.

Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." —- hn guidelines

You're right. that came off as condescending. I'm sorry.

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I might not be thrilled with state intervention either, but I do not doubt its necessity. Here in California the state has a new housing target that is allocated to regions. The regions then allocate new housing targets to cities. And pretty much every single one of the cities in the Bay Area is having to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to meet those targets. My own city is having to violate its own low-density re…

Rent controlled housing is intervention that drives the rest of it up, and causes hoarding where they want to keep the old prices in a multi bedroom apartment, higher prices for others that cause long vacancies, they’re dreading building a certain amount of affordable housing from upper bureaucrats, that prescribed only one solution that doesn’t fit into the data, so the problems of intervention are being solved with…

Rent control has only existed in a handful of CA municipalities, but the exorbitant housing costs are everywhere in the SF, SV, LA regions.

To your point, CA's regional housing needs assessments are state level intervention to undo city level interventions (zoning, permitting) that prohibit housing.

Re: Breakdown of data on homeless populations across the U.S.

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I don't mean to accuse you of any failings (moral or otherwise). I meant to argue that a lot of people may mistakenly believe they're well paid, because in the past when they started their job, they were indeed well paid. But as time goes by, the situation changes, but the person doesn't make any changes and thus, get into a situation where they cannot fix themselves. So diagnosing a problem early, and making correct…

You are still arguing this point like its my fault.

Does fault matter? Whose responsibility is it?

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California had a lot of success with Project Home Key that acquired existing hotels and converts them to supportive housing. It worked well because it was quick and often required only one vote by local authorities. In contrast, building new shelters is too easy to drag out and kill with a thousand paper cuts. Some SF Supervisors have spent years saying they want a homeless shelter in their district, but just can't f…

Being a resident of Seattle I'm not thrilled about the state of Washington making decisions about what happens in my city. I can get behind something like gating funding based on results but I'm not thrilled about the state dictating how the city spends money. I could also get behind the idea of a state-owned-and-operated shelter network which happens to have locations in cities. But in general I have a preference to…

Depends on how broadly you define the problem. My points here are not that there's a complete solution so much as there's straight forward steps that do a lot of good. There will definitely still be problems after solving these.

Re: Breakdown of data on homeless populations across the U.S.

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Yes because an entire car of people are sitting there, minding their own business, and someone approaches them and violates their personal space. If someone grabbed you with the intention of disturbing you, would that not ruin your ride? How is someone entering your personal space by being loud and obnoxious any different?

How is someone talking to you to ask for money different from them grabbing you? C'mon.

Not sure I understand your point? They’re not talking to you. They’re yelling in a crowded subway car. Can you explain how yelling at you vs. touching you are fundamentally different? What if they smell really bad? Would you consider making you smell a foul smell a violation of your personal space? What if they could somehow make you taste something against your will, would that be a violation of your personal space? Not sure why you’re treating ears differently than the rest of the body.

Re: Breakdown of data on homeless populations across the U.S.

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I don't think mandating what's valid and not valid on public areas is valid. How is "recreation" any more valid than "sleeping"?

That’s disingenuous. I’m not opposed to sleeping in parks. Like, sure, take a nap. But no, you can’t live there. Take a look at the homeless camps in Seattle parks and greenbelts. That’s not staying out of anyone’s way. There’s nothing harmonious about it. Basic services are mandatory in camping areas. Without bathrooms we get human waste accumulation and runoff. Without trash service we get fires. This isn’t hypothe…

>But no, you can’t live there.

What do you think gives you the right to make that call?

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You are still arguing this point like its my fault.

Does fault matter? Whose responsibility is it?

Of course fault matters, cost of rent going up so high no one can afford an apartment. Do you blame the residents, like chii is doing, for not making enough? Or do you blame the fucking assholes raising the god damn rent?

Re: Breakdown of data on homeless populations across the U.S.

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Does fault matter? Whose responsibility is it?

Of course fault matters, cost of rent going up so high no one can afford an apartment. Do you blame the residents, like chii is doing, for not making enough? Or do you blame the fucking assholes raising the god damn rent?

I don't blame. I don't find fault. There's just responsibility.

Life is hard and things aren't fair.

True. But that has nothing to do with responsibility.

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