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Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by seoulmetro »

rswail wrote: post #115

I really think this is a rant. Righteous maybe, but there are so many straw-man arguments and some mysterious "they". I live in Melbourne, Australia, and we have some of the worst and best. Some of our new apartment buildings are atrocious examples of developer greed. But some are enhancements to our city, and there are public and business buildings that are similar, while still advancing both technology and architec…

I was with him until he listed what he considered good. It looked like a kid had accidentally spilt lego on an abandoned city. Terrible.

I think some of the best architecture can be seen in Singapore.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by nitrogen »

chuckee wrote: post #88
nitrogen wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better for a building's inhabitants to be free to bring their own life and color, than for the building to try to impose one decade's view of life and color upon every generation for the next century.

How do you propose they do that? For example, take your typical steel-and-glass skyscraper, such as the One World Trade Center. How can the inhabitants make the exterior less hostile? Or affect it at all? And isn't the complete absence of any kind of style, color, or pleasant features in general, an imposition of a specific view in itself? And finally, is what you describe even a problem? How many people living in ol…

The life of a building comes from the way it is used, not the way it is decorated. There is no need to decorate the outside of the WTC, because it's the experience of being inside that matters.

As for gray cubes, you can shine any color or pattern of light on them you want.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by zbrozek »

Haemm0r wrote: post #50
zbrozek wrote: post #47

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I'm trying to pitch a flat section of roof on my house because it leaks. Flat roofs are sometimes flat because of too-low or badly-defined building height limits. Boringness also probably comes from increasing numbers of people involved in approvals. Try getting some wild thing through public hearings and city councils. Much harder than a cube. The boringness is a feature, not a bug. I bet there's a ton of other fact…

The way I see it, in Central Europe the reason for a flat roof on a single family home is mostly cost advantage (on short sight) or architectural. Someone said: There are two types of flat roofs: Those that are leaky and those that are not leaky yet.

I've heard this stated a few times - that flat roofs are meaningfully cheaper - but really? How? The tiny bit of extra material to add a bit of height to some ridge seems trivial. Where's the cost?

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by CrazyStat »

campbellmorgan wrote: post #173

It is easy to agree with the sentiment of this article, but the fundamental premise of this is wrong in modern architecture. That premise is that it is the architect that is in control of the final aesthetic of the building. Architects get work by participating in competitions against other architects for limited budgets. In a few, rare cases (usually public buildings and museums) an extraordinary budget may be appro…

> That premise is that it is the architect that is in control of the final aesthetic of the building.

I disagree.

The article frames the question by examining what kind of work architects celebrate and award. It doesn't matter who had the final say in any given design or even all the designs; architects, not client expectations, are responsible for what kind of work gets the Pritzker prize.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by dusted »

wffurr wrote: post #140
dusted wrote: post #118

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My apologies, I shouldn't set out so defensively. It's just the form of question that I have happened upon many times when discussing architecture with architects, or art with artists, and there it's definitely an attempt at gatekeeping :)

Well, the article did also mention leftists favoring Brutalist architecture, and not just architecture award panels. So I suppose you could be a leftist too.

I don't think my political views fit well into the 1 dimensional model of "left" or "right". There are excellent points and values spread throughout the entire political spectrum. I won't pick sides, and I won't be in the center eiter, so I'm out.

Also, is "I bet you're a {political label}" still considered an insult ?

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Post by IYasha »

dirtyid wrote: post #70

As a victim, I found it fascinating how many architecture students who loved classical aesthetics become thoroughly brainwashed into modern aesthetics at architecture school. In no small response to fact that architects generally has to work with the dominant building systems of the era. One learns to love and celebrate modernity through stockholm syndromne. As others have mentioned, ornamentation will come back once…

Cannot agree more on the brainwashing part. It happens in many, if not all, vectors of education. Loss of harmonic perception in many aspects of science.

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Post by _huayra_ »

wayoutthere wrote: post #110
fho wrote: post #83

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I think (hope) that in Germany we are still using brick and mortar construction? Or at least some modular wall elements. At least I have not really seen those rebar and concrete skeletons that are a common sight basically everywhere else.

3-5 story buildings in the US are usually just wood frame. Any brick or stone is just a 1-2” thick panel they hang on the outside of the building.

Yes, a common construction are these five-over-ones, with a steel-reinforced concrete first floor (for retail) and then wood framed 5-story apartments above.

This podcast goes over what an absolute disaster this type of construction is [0], but for apartments in most major US cities west of the Mississippi, it is hard to avoid _some_ sort of wood framing.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVodkE47aLw

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by Handytinge »

rswail wrote: post #115

I really think this is a rant. Righteous maybe, but there are so many straw-man arguments and some mysterious "they". I live in Melbourne, Australia, and we have some of the worst and best. Some of our new apartment buildings are atrocious examples of developer greed. But some are enhancements to our city, and there are public and business buildings that are similar, while still advancing both technology and architec…

I love Melbourne, but I'm struggling to think of any buildings in the city from the last few decades that evoke beauty or originality. Docklands, La Trobe St, everything I can think of in recent years is fairly generic and risk adverse.
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