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People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the data in Israel it is clear that Pfizer's efficacy vanes over time, thus the need for boosters. So, it is not because J&J is second rate. We will probably need boosters while there's high prevalence of the virus.

Pfizer’s own data says the same thing. The safety and efficacy study they did shows that efficacy drops by about 6% every 2 months. Everyone will need boosters at least once per year in perpetuity if they want to maintain any reasonable amount of protection. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v...

> Everyone will need boosters at least once per year in perpetuity if they want to maintain any reasonable amount of protection

At 6 months, there's a stark difference between VE against infection versus VE against hospitalization. What endpoint should we really care about? Constantly boosting a non-sterilizing vaccine that is apparently still highly effective at reducing the risk of severe outcomes is mind boggling.

There are people getting breakthrough infections just 2-4 months after their second dose. Look at how much drama has been generated trying to get people to take an initial vaccination series. The idea that vaccination campaigns for perpetual boosters every 3-6 months could ever be widely successful is absurd. It just isn't going to happen.

It's pretty obvious that virtually everyone is going to get this thing at some point even if they've been vaccinated, and eventually public health officials will have no choice but to accept that natural immunity is a real thing.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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post #9
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pfizer’s own data says the same thing. The safety and efficacy study they did shows that efficacy drops by about 6% every 2 months. Everyone will need boosters at least once per year in perpetuity if they want to maintain any reasonable amount of protection. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v...

Does natural immunity wane off at the same rate?

It doesn't look like it.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

> SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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post #9
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pfizer’s own data says the same thing. The safety and efficacy study they did shows that efficacy drops by about 6% every 2 months. Everyone will need boosters at least once per year in perpetuity if they want to maintain any reasonable amount of protection. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v...

Does natural immunity wane off at the same rate?

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Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Well, the infrastructure is now in place. At a whim, the government can strip back freedoms of people and claim it is for the greater good. It wont matter if you have had 2 injections of Pfizer in the past, the government soon will deem you completely unvaccinated and take away your freedoms without looking at your demographics or your previous vaccination status. Insanity.

Who said at a whim? We need everyone to be vaccinated. I don't see anything different between requiring vaccination and requiring boosters

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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post #3

You can't comply your way out of tyranny. Perhaps this change in rules will help more people to see this.

You can't "muh freedom" your way out of a pandemic.

Especially if you're dead.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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post #17

Well, the infrastructure is now in place. At a whim, the government can strip back freedoms of people and claim it is for the greater good. It wont matter if you have had 2 injections of Pfizer in the past, the government soon will deem you completely unvaccinated and take away your freedoms without looking at your demographics or your previous vaccination status. Insanity.

Who said at a whim? We need everyone to be vaccinated. I don't see anything different between requiring vaccination and requiring boosters

> We need everyone to be vaccinated.

I don't need this. How is that your needs have a higher priority than mine?

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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post #3

You can't comply your way out of tyranny. Perhaps this change in rules will help more people to see this.

You can't "muh freedom" your way out of a pandemic.

At this rate, we can't anything out of this pandemic.
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