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Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by Ambix »

exdsq wrote: post #219
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #161

Except: - no country pay like the US. Worked for silicon valley companies remotely, and made twice the money I made in France, while being 3 times cheaper than local competition. - no country have the volume of hi-level coding gig job offers the US has. - few countries even have has many interesting projects. If you want to code in Haskell or Lisp in Europe, good luck. - the USA don't care about your diploma, only wh…

These are all subjective. I worked on Haskell, without a degree, on interesting problems for an NY salary remotely out of my bedroom in Oxford. I have since moved to the Bay Area and am working for an Eastern European country while earning a Bay Area rate.

I'm living in Moscow, Russia and I know for sure that we have so many crypto companies here but still I was not aware that they are ready to pay Bay Area salaries :)

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by Ambix »

exdsq wrote: post #446
moneywoes wrote: post #423

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Do you mind elaborating on what that is? Looking to learn as much about web 3 as possible. Thanks

What are you looking to learn about? I can get some links together tomorrow and send them over to you :)

Please share with us :)

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by gota »

arbitrary_name wrote: post #514
gota wrote: post #432

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Reading this post it occurred to me that if huge levels of remote work become the norm, there may be consequences for what 'rights' remote workers may obtain at the 'host' richer countries. I mean, somewhat like large companies effectively influenced the mechanisms for immigration, right? The same may happen wrt. access to financial services (e.g. Facebook employees around the world may eventually be indistinguishabl…

Ever since i read Snowcrash I've thought about this. What if major corps developed transnational power: get hired in India, get benefits that include expedited visa processing, global health insurance coverage, company schools or online curricula for children of employees. I mean this exists for senior execs, how would it look when extended to the FAANG rank and file? Sort of a mobility-focused benefits package. Unli…

I was somehow unfamiliar with Snow Crash. Thanks for the pointer!

Also - yes, precisely! The internet abounds with posts about how Apple's market cap is larger than most countries GDP already. If the trend of tech-giants growth keeps pace, we may have multi-trillion dollar companies whose revenue will rival nations' GDPs.

At that point, the 'guild' of workers around the world will may have enough political power to be backed by the company, which will have enough leverage to influence law everywhere.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by groby_b »

twox2 wrote: post #174
a_t48 wrote: post #168

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No diploma here - still have recruiters from at least 3 of the 5 messaging me. Edit: downvoters, care to explain a little? Why would they waste their time on me if they weren't interested in me working there?

Do you / have you ever worked at one?

Working at one for over a decade now. I've got no degree. Both people on my team and in adjacent team without degrees. Also many people with super-interesting degrees nothing to do with CS.

So, yes, you can get hired at FAANG & friends without a CS degree.

But: I would suggest to always read that as "absolutely go for it, even if you didn't get a degree", not "skip getting a degree, it doesn't make a difference".

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Post by ubermonkey »

sumedh wrote: post #512
ubermonkey wrote: post #489

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EXTREMELY competitive salaries. The company owner believes in paying for talent.

EXTREMELY competitive salaries does not say anything. You have companies like Google and Microsoft in India paying very well and you have the IT consulting giants like Infosys, TCS etc who pay peanuts yet they still find employees but they have a bad reputation. Was your company paying Google level salaries or the TCS level salaries?

God, I hate HN discourse sometimes.

I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. Or not, Internet Stranger.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by exdsq »

Ambix wrote: post #521
exdsq wrote: post #219

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These are all subjective. I worked on Haskell, without a degree, on interesting problems for an NY salary remotely out of my bedroom in Oxford. I have since moved to the Bay Area and am working for an Eastern European country while earning a Bay Area rate.

I'm living in Moscow, Russia and I know for sure that we have so many crypto companies here but still I was not aware that they are ready to pay Bay Area salaries :)

I’m sure you can find something if you look! But most are happy with global hires so you can find one elsewhere and apply anyway, I’ve worked with several fantastic Russian devs :)

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by JanisL »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #358
JanisL wrote: post #351

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Melbourne Australia is in the third year of population decline now. I know on top of this population shift that a huge number of the major employers have shifted towards much more work from home arrangements due to the pandemic and due to the the 263 days of lockdowns that were imposed I think many of these changes will last for longer than in places that were less disrupted. That said I still think commercial real e…

Ah! Yeah you're right... I guess the lockdown has given me a bit of a bias. Slightly on topic speaking of commercial real estate, I was sad to hear York Butter Factory is in liquidation :(

I can't say I'm entirely surprised, occupancy rates in Melbourne's commercial real estate are exceptionally low at the moment: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ghost-town-warni...

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by nly »

oceanplexian wrote: post #144
nly wrote: post #94

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By my estimation, even factoring in the cost of living, medical insurance, tax differences etc, people working in the Bay area are taking home twice what an equally qualified dev would take home in say, London. If anything the contrast is even more stark across the EU

I think the "equally qualified" point you're making is highly disingenuous. Qualified doesn't mean you can churn out so many lines of code or have X years of experience at a company or whatever, it means you have right kind of experience. To a big company like Facebook or Google, someone from SV who has a few years in the local industry has more relevant "experience" to the position than someone in London with 10 yea…

In my experience 90%+ of folks at FANGS are doing "nothing special". These companies just need a lot of bodies

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by moneywoes »

exdsq wrote: post #446
moneywoes wrote: post #423

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Do you mind elaborating on what that is? Looking to learn as much about web 3 as possible. Thanks

What are you looking to learn about? I can get some links together tomorrow and send them over to you :)

More about the defi scene preferably. Would love the links thank you!

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by GFischer »

908B64B197 wrote: post #447
makeitdouble wrote: post #352

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It goes both ways: local talent will learn from the biggest companies in the world without having to leave, meaning their know how can be turned to local entities as well. For the pay, eventually it settles down as more and more companies try to see what they can get away with. US companies won’t be paying boatloads of money eternally (they were already resorting to offshoring to skimp) and local companies will have…

> It goes both ways: local talent will learn from the biggest companies in the world without having to leave, meaning their know how can be turned to local entities as well. It really doesn't. You end up with a whole segment of engineers that effectively become invisible to the local tech scene, because they are way above the local rates. Local companies are, basically, a waste of time for them. Also, keep in mind th…

The salary gap does decrease, here in Uruguay companies are paying what would have been thought of as insane just a few years ago (still 50% below US rates, but way way higher any other job), and we're getting thousands of people immigrating from all over Latin America and even Spain.

It does make providing to local companies much less desirable.

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