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Re: Business Essentials

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So, is a rebranding of Fleetsmith with the Apple magic

You'd think if they were going to rebrand it, that they'd redirect you to the new site. Instead, now they are managing competing products.

Perhaps it’ll be shut down closer to when or shortly after the product actually launches.

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Agree I manage 500+ Apple devices and have been in disbelief that Apple recommends using JAMF to manage their own devices. I use profile manager included with the Server App of MacOS and it is functional but limited in scope. I have expressed for years frustration that Apple recommends using MDM/ profiles to manage their devices … and then doesn’t even really offer an enterprise version of the software. Google by con…

We used JAMF at my last place of business, and it would occasionally kill apps with a 15 minute warning. Normally this was fine, but it really sucked to get JAMFed (as it came to be called) in the middle of a presentation. At my current company, we use something that destroys CPU and battery (unused 2019 high end MBP hangs sporadically for tens of seconds on any file system syscall, computer gets uncomfortably hot, b…

> use something that destroys CPU and battery

Before you even mentioned falcond, I immediately knew that it was clownstrike

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#273

The challenge for Apple is going to be their unwillingness to integrate with others. Business Manager only integrates with MS Azure Active Directory for IAM. The vast majority of small business do not have Azure Active Directory. They either have nothing, or they have Google Workspace. Apple needs to not just launch a competitor for AD. They need to properly support integrated directory services with a broader range…

At the MSP I work at every single customer we have uses Azure AD. G Suite isn't a proper business e-mail solution for a business with any more than 3 users - Exchange and Azure AD are the gold standard for cloud based office for SMB.

There are dozens of companies on g suite (ad others, like Zoho), I work with some that have 100,000+ seats. The idea that the only solution for businesses is MS products was never right before and isn't today.

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I still have a lot of resentment for the internet restrictions my parents put on my devices. They didn't usually work, but made whatever i was doing significantly more annoying. I still remember discovering a bug in the iphone parental controls where i could go to the amazon app, leave a comment for google.com, click it and open that in a webview, then open that into safari with restrictions disabled. How i discovere…

You do realize, that often times controls are put in place when the communications and trust has been violated right? Most people want to not give a shit, it's the kid forcing the response. Beyond that, The internet for a boy, is much different than the internet for a girl - your experience isn't the same as everyone elses and neither are the filters. We home school so some of the controls are just in place so they a…

> controls are put in place when the communications and trust has been violated right?

Oh yes, i certainly broke trust of my parents, but mostly by bypassing controls they put. That deteriorated trust (and encouraged more trust-breaking) much faster than if the controls werent there.

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You'd think if they were going to rebrand it, that they'd redirect you to the new site. Instead, now they are managing competing products.

Perhaps it’ll be shut down closer to when or shortly after the product actually launches.

After seeing what happened after the Fleetsmith acquisition, it is unlikely. They made several questionable decisions after the acquisition and as far as I can tell haven't really made any significant updates since.

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They already have Fleetsmith. This is their response to Jumpcloud and what not who are offering lower per user plans, as fleetsmith was around $8/device/mo.

> This is their response to Jumpcloud and what not who are offering lower per user plans They couldn't care less about a few dollars. This is about heading off business adoption of Chromebooks, and "winning" small-medium businesses as primarily Mac shops before they become big-enterprise.

I don't see how they really compete. Google has an array of business apps that far surpass anything Apple is offering here. They would need to partner with Microsoft in order to compete against Google.

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Smart to focus on smaller businesses but foolish albeit expected to only include Apple products in the solution. I'd put money on the overwhelming majority of businesses that have any Apple devices also have non Apple devices. Very few will be purely Apple environments and those that are would hardly qualify as enterprise environments. The reason is simple, Apple has failed to provide the needed suite of enterprise s…

> Smart to focus on smaller businesses but foolish albeit expected to only include Apple products in the solution. Eh, it depends why you think they are doing it. If you think they are offering this because they want to get into selling MDM software, then yeah, it's foolish. If, on the other hand, you imagine that they are offering this because they want to encourage small businesses to go 'wall-to-wall' Apple, and f…

It also seems like a progression for this product would go from "All Apple" to "Mixed Use". No need to lose the "All Apple" money while you're working on the "Mixed Use" software if you're going to take that road.

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> When their app store faces anti-trust, and everyone already has an iphone and the next igadget is 5 years away, how do you generate growth? I'd suggest this is the definition of being out of ideas, as the way they grew last time was they invented the iPhone, and then the iPod, and then the Airbook, Apple Watch, and AirPods. Then there was the mini tracking device to help you believe every other product wasn't alrea…

i largely agree with your points. I think the ousting (quitting?) of Ives is a sign that apple as an aesthetic force is ending, and the return to "logical" macs instead is a sign that they're reverting going too far. Its an acknowledgement that they have to do more than make pretty devices. I see a very similar path to luxury car brands for luxury electronics. A mix of status, comfort and performance. I wouldn't be s…

Smart. This raises an interesting question. Cars do one thing well, and we've turned them into extended rooms of our homes, so a $200k car can make sense. What is the thing personal computers/mobile devices do well for us as users that we can just dial it up and charge 10x for it?

I don't know. Mine cryptocurrency? A fancier and more flattering filter bubble? An AI named Cyrano that identifies people and gives us tips for manipulating and blackmailing them? Spitballing here.

Re: Business Essentials

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The challenge for Apple is going to be their unwillingness to integrate with others. Business Manager only integrates with MS Azure Active Directory for IAM. The vast majority of small business do not have Azure Active Directory. They either have nothing, or they have Google Workspace. Apple needs to not just launch a competitor for AD. They need to properly support integrated directory services with a broader range…

> vast majority of small business do not have Azure Active Directory Where are you from? On the east coast of the US, I find it uncommon to find small businesses who aren't still all in on Office, which if you've bought it in the last five years, was probably via a subscription that gives you Azure AD (and Exchange, Teams, etc). GSuite is still very uncommon in my experience outside of schools.

Not GP, but in India (where I am from), Google Workspace is fairly common in SMBs.

Also: https://www.statista.com/statistics/961105/japan-market-shar...

That report seems to indicate that Google Workspace is actually the leader even in the US!

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The issue is not with detecting the strike through. The issue is that the CSS of the hidden "not" element obviously makes the element invisible, but a screen reader still reads it. Obviously, Apple is abusing that fact here in order to insert elements that only screen readers would see. Definitely feels like a hack.

I understand what's happening (I use this approach myself). I'm only wondering about if the strike-through recognition idea makes sense.

There is a text-decoration: line-through csv styling available, which I would hope a screen reader would convey properly. Apple isn't using that here though, for whatever reason.

An AI could probably get pretty good at detecting and interpreting stuff like the ::after as a strikethrough. The general problem of extracting semantics from a hacked up html / css / js web page feels like it would require a human level AGI. There are a ton of ways to make text appear with a line through it, and in some cases it may not even have been intended as a strikethrough.

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