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Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#101
post #65

They should look at the metaverse. I am told that is the future.

They could claim a big stake there with their .tv domains.

Maybe we should start a petition for Twitch to start donating a portion of their profits towards ensuring Tuvalu can keep existing in some form or another... perhaps ideally a fund which can be used to relocate citizens when the island is no longer inhabitable?

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#102
post #83

Build an underwater server farm and become an offshore (undershore?) banking centre

Or an underwater city and become the number one tourist destination in the world for the next few years (until everyone else is forced to do the same)

Sounds like a very expensive aquarium with no exit.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#103
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tuvalu exists as a state because the international community decided to let them. This is true of every state. If no one recognizes your claims, and then acts with impunity against you, you’re not a state.

It is most certainly not true of every state; if no one recognizes your claims, but you can still feed your citizens and defend your borders, you are "a state".

Okay, then you definitely couldn’t include anything more than the 5 nuclear-weapon states.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#104
post #12

So have we moved from "climate change isn't real" to "it's real but we aren't gonna do anything"? Nobody making long term plans is questioning the science of it, they're just trying to figure out how to be the last ones to starve.

If you really believe what you say, then find a way to short beachfront real estate and reinvest that humongous profit into fixing climate when shit hits the fan.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#105
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and then acts with impunity against you

Russia acts with impunity on Ukraine soil, however Ukraine is a state for all definitions of state I could find.

I don't really care one way or another, but the OP provided 2 stipulations for statehood:

> If no one recognizes your claims, and then acts with impunity against you, you’re not a state.

Ukraine only fits one.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#106

Why not build a system of dikes around the island? What about poldering? Is that feasible here? The island is only 26 square kilometers.

The land area of Fulafuti is 2.4 square kilometers, but the total area of the atoll is 275 square kilometers : it's a ring of islands surrounding a lagoon. The lagoon is 120 feet deep. The atoll is basically the tip-top of a vast underwater mountain that drops away precipitously: there's nothing to build a dike on . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funafuti https://tuvalu-data.sprep.org/system/files/Rapport_de_leve_C...

Then let's make the old land the dike and build everything in the lagoon. Maybe we can mine the Pacific Trash Island for building material.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They always have the option of building a platform(Sealand[0] like) and claim the territory. Probably there still few advantages to be recognized as nation. Being Tax shelter and selling domains(.tv is somewhat popular) comes to mind. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

Sealand isn't a great example considering nobody recognizes it as a country. Tuvalu might get away with it since they would've been a "real" country in the past.

More important than official recognition by other countries, is simply being allowed to exist. Incredibly, Sealand has achieved that.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#108
post #100

Tuvalu is just 26 sq km. How many bulk carriers filled with dirt you need to raise that by a few meters?

I'm certain it would be more than Tuvalu could afford, unless they were granted the money by the UN, which seems unlikely. I also can't help but think the dirt would eventually be washed away regardless. The kind of land reclamation places like the Netherlands do isn't applicable on Pacific Low Islands.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#109
The image of the government official standing in the water "on what used to be dry land" is quite dramatic.[1]

Unfortunately that land is not underwater due to climate change-driven sea level rise, but due to soil erosion. They do mention this fact, however the focus of the article inexplicably remains on rising sea levels.

A factchecker might call that "missing context" (or worse).

[1]https://www.reuters.com/resizer/8doSEMId31ayO3rBn1MaCzPgW50=...

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

#110
post #100

Tuvalu is just 26 sq km. How many bulk carriers filled with dirt you need to raise that by a few meters?

That could work for Tuvalu, but I hope you realize that if everyone just used that solution to address the sea-level rise due to global warming, you'd end up greatly accelerating both global warming and sea level rise...
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