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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

est31 wrote: post #178
KennyBlanken wrote: post #151

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Yep, the latest example was my credit card company rejecting my GV number. They easily have the means to see that I've been using it for 10+ years and it's definitely me. Luckily they wanted my business more than they cared about that policy; a CS droid was able to "force" the system to allow it. Requiring cell phone numbers isn't about anti-spam or 2FA or anything else these services and sites claim. It's about link…

> It's about linking your account to a real person identity, so they can sell that to someone - either live, or later when they get bought out Yeah, this can't be emphasized enough. Phone numbers are established as universal identifiers. Discord is sitting on a giant heap of personal information including DMs from millions of young people. It is all centralized, both in terms of data, and in terms of accounts (instea…

Not only discord. Today it's easier to say what chat applications don't use phone numbers than those which do.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by glenneroo »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #668
glenneroo wrote: post #615

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There are laptops with SIM card slots?

It looks like this: https://www.amazon.com/Huawei-E3372h-153-Unlocked-External-A...

Ah yes, thanks! I have used a similar USB dongle. I was wondering if it was a special built-in tray or slot in the laptop.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by rhizome »

coldtea wrote: post #537
aikinai wrote: post #385

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How does that story have anything to do with being evil, by any stretch of the definition? Are you insinuating that Google has this convoluted verification flow to intentionally harm people in some way? Or even to intentionally harm privacy or further business goals at users' expense? Or are you just using "evil" to refer to anything you don't like?

> Or even to intentionally harm privacy or further business goals at users' expense? Yes (and obviously). Google, and other SaaS, have used such dark patterns to collect more user identity data (user profile info is what they ultimately sell - even if sold to advertisers "anonymized", the profile is richer and more worth the more data they have on you).

What never seems to come up is that as far as ads are concerned and with the amount and kinds of data that these companies are and have been collecting, your name is worth zilch. "Anonymized" is a red herring.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by bcg361 »

function_seven wrote: post #353
crummy wrote: post #347

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Admins can just lower the verification level for the server, can't they? https://discord.com/safety/360043653152-Four-steps-to-a-supe...

Isn’t that an all-or-nothing choice? What if I want to manually allow a single user who can’t pass the phone verification routine?

That's possible: Users with roles don't need to be verified, so you can just give the user a role.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by zzo38computer »

mhd wrote: post #589
WalterBright wrote: post #272

Vladimir Panteleev wrote the forum software D uses: https://forum.dlang.org/ It's all completely searchable, it works with NNTP (yes!), and I wrote a program: https://github.com/DigitalMars/ngArchiver to turn the message database into simple, fast loading static web pages: https://digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/index.html It has served us well.

I really wish more systems had a NNTP bridge. If we can't have nice things with regular federated Usenet servers, something RSS-like where you could subscribe to different "proprietary" servers would be awesome. For the web interfaces people can do all kinds of things, be Web X.0 etc., as long as the conversation format maps well enough to NNTP.

I agree. In my case, I have a NNTP server, but would also be OK to have a web forum and mailing list which bridges to it. The web interface could be any as long as the conversation format maps to NNTP, is readable and writable in usual NNTP clients without difficulty, that the formats are readable just fine as plain text, and that even if JavaScripts and CSS are disabled that it must display a link to the NNTP. I want to treat the NNTP as primary, though, even if other interfaces are also available.

This can either be done on my computer (and read the SQLite database containing the messages directly; also will need to be compatible with what I have), or on some remote service which the messages are mirrored (and then I can set up a cron job if I wanted to). However, I have not found a suitable one for my specific use.

(Also, my NNTP server is not currently in use by anyone other than myself, it seems. However, I would like others who are interested in my projects to discuss there. There is also a IRC channel for discussion, which also isn't used (there are a few people on there, but nobody else other than myself seems to write messages there). IRC logs are kept.)

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by WalterBright »

zzo38computer wrote: post #675
mhd wrote: post #589

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I really wish more systems had a NNTP bridge. If we can't have nice things with regular federated Usenet servers, something RSS-like where you could subscribe to different "proprietary" servers would be awesome. For the web interfaces people can do all kinds of things, be Web X.0 etc., as long as the conversation format maps well enough to NNTP.

I agree. In my case, I have a NNTP server, but would also be OK to have a web forum and mailing list which bridges to it. The web interface could be any as long as the conversation format maps to NNTP, is readable and writable in usual NNTP clients without difficulty, that the formats are readable just fine as plain text, and that even if JavaScripts and CSS are disabled that it must display a link to the NNTP. I wan…

The NNTP web forum software D uses is exactly what you specify. Some people interact with it using the forum software, others use conventional NNTP news readers, like Thunderbird's. Still others use the mailing list interface.

https://forum.dlang.org/help#about

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by gsich »

errantspark wrote: post #656
numpad0 wrote: post #433

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Whatever comes with should work mostly fine, whitelist unlocks are for those didn’t option a WWAN. All WWAN modems are same, usually they have 3-5 serial ports for modem control, data, debug, and NMEA. My hunch is your ttyS2 takes “GPS enable” command and it’ll start murmuring it on ttyS4. Refs: https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/sierra_advanced_gps https://forum.openwrt.org/t/problem-accessing-gps-data-from-... https://g…

None of the TTYs that Windows exposes will even let me connect (access denied error even as admin) and there is no Linux driver, or maybe there is now with very recent kernels?[0]. It would surprise me if it worked well but I will spend some hours to find out soon. Intel/Fibocomm don't provide support for their modems except to OEMs afaik and I don't see any mention of successful connection under linux w/ my modem. (…

Use USB-Mode.

[0] says it also supports MBIM which is supported ootb with ModemManager and somewhat recent kernels. If your BIOS does not allow this, you probably need to tape over the PCIe-Pins with some non-conductive tape.

[0] https://fccid.io/ZMOL860GL/User-Manual/Users-Manual-3993200....

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

jrootabega wrote: post #590
EdwardDiego wrote: post #473

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What I like about forums is that a) they're indexable by search engines! and b) because there's no expectation of an immediate response, people tend to put more time into their requests for help. I support a FOSS project via Slack, and information sparse requests are sadly the norm, I found that 95% of my responses are "Can you please provide more logs/configuration/actual description of what you were expecting, and…

Slack is great for the masses to get someone's attention. Not much else. I'm betting most of those requests start with: "Hey, I have a problem, can someone help?" No actual information follows, just minutes idle, waiting for someone to respond. Slack is like a bird's nest. Baby birds chirp loudly, open up their mouths, and hope you'll regurgitate some worms into them.

For me it starts with:

"Hello."

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by PeterisP »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #150
kayodelycaon wrote: post #41

I’ve tried to use forums so many times but I just can’t use them effectively. I don’t want to create accounts and get the notification settings correct so I don’t have to log in to see replies to my messages without getting spammed. The only forum I’ve had success with as a user is Reddit. It isn’t the best forum software in the world but it is miles better than the usual php bulletin boards. Having run a forum befor…

That brings up a good point. If forums are going to work, they need some form of federation that doesn't suck.

I've seen reddit fulfill the function of a "federated support forum" for quite a few things.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by jrootabega »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #678
jrootabega wrote: post #590

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Slack is great for the masses to get someone's attention. Not much else. I'm betting most of those requests start with: "Hey, I have a problem, can someone help?" No actual information follows, just minutes idle, waiting for someone to respond. Slack is like a bird's nest. Baby birds chirp loudly, open up their mouths, and hope you'll regurgitate some worms into them.

For me it starts with: "Hello."

I wish it wasn't suicidal to point people to nohello.net in professional contexts.
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