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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by Gigachad » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:00 AM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #237

Gigachad wrote: post #204

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It needs to so that it can search on the backend and show you all instances of that search rather than just what the currently loaded DOM elements contain.

What if I want to search only currently loaded DOM elements?

On most modern apps, this is pretty much just what is on the screen right now + a little on the top and bottom. The elements get removed/reused once they scroll off the page for performance.

I only see this as an issue if the site does not reimplement find so that it is able to deal with this.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by jodrellblank » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

megous wrote: post #321

jodrellblank wrote: post #139

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> “ I would hardly say that an email address is PII. ” The EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) say they are.

Only if it can be associated with your person somehow.

Yes and no; info@example.com used at one site is not going to personally identify you, but most personal and work email addresses are some variant of name or initials. Unless you expect the forum owners to individually mark each member's email address as personally identifiable or not, they ought to treat them as if they were all PII because most of them will be.

(the upshot of your suggestion that your email address sometimes doesn't identify you and so isn't PII would be what, forum owners can leak your email address tied to your forum posts so long as they don't know whose address it is? That doesn't sound particularly desirable.)

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by wolverine876 » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:09 AM UTC

vmception wrote: post #236

thaumasiotes wrote: post #212

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Just a couple of days ago, I signed in to a gmail account using the correct username and password. Gmail intercepted me and claimed to be worried that they couldn't recognize the device I was using. According to the flow, they wanted me to verify my identity in one of three ways: (1) I could verify the backup email address associated with the account; (2) if unable to do that, I could provide the 2FA code sent to tha…

I've actually found it hysterical. The phone number question seems to be for their data mining as well as evidence. But anyone can get into any email address when prompted this way. It is possible to send a text to someone else's phone, the servers connected to phones online are often polluted but many times they are not. You can send a text to those and get the code. Or of course, just send the code to anyone and SS…

> the servers connected to phones online are often polluted

What does this mean?

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:10 AM UTC

codinghorror wrote: post #302

agumonkey wrote: post #185

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I'm extremely surprised by this weird dichotomy. vbulletin era was "low" on tech yet there were a lot of nice chill places.. there was almost nothing special, no ease, few rules, convos were mostly humans and fun. Now there's kilotons of resources (brain and money) trying to make all this go to mars and yet it only creates frailty. Super odd.

The software didn't change; the people did. Starting in 2014, everyone went online.

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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by ekianjo » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:13 AM UTC

ejj28 wrote: post #112

jedberg wrote: post #70

Oh please do. This seems like the perfect time to bring this up: I had a piece of software that used Discord for support. They required that users be verified, which requires you to give you phone number to Discord. I gave them my Google Voice number, which is the only number I have, and they rejected it because they don't support VOIP numbers. I asked them if there was any other way to verify my identity. They told…

Phone verification can certainly be annoying, but anyone who's been part of large Discord communities will know that spambots that DM users with all kinds of scams are a huge issue. Phone verification stops someone from raiding a server with it enabled with hundreds of bot accounts. As for VOIP numbers not being allowed, that also makes sense; VOIP numbers are extremely cheap and allowing them to be used would defeat…

> Phone verification can certainly be annoying

Not just that. Why do you need to share such private information for every service out there? It's pure madness. It is, and will be used for tracking you online everywhere.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by jiggunjer » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:14 AM UTC

mooreds wrote: post #59

Ekaros wrote: post #45

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I don't want that either. Why should I tell google or github which sites I use... And tie also the accounts there to my google account.

This is what openid (the original) was designed to fix. You get to own your identity and delegate it if desired. But adoption didn't really happen. But I get it. Maybe a throwaway email address is the right way around it for you?

Why need openid when pgp exists?

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by crummy » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:15 AM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #127

ejj28 wrote: post #112

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Phone verification can certainly be annoying, but anyone who's been part of large Discord communities will know that spambots that DM users with all kinds of scams are a huge issue. Phone verification stops someone from raiding a server with it enabled with hundreds of bot accounts. As for VOIP numbers not being allowed, that also makes sense; VOIP numbers are extremely cheap and allowing them to be used would defeat…

My problem isn't with the phone verification. I totally understand why they do that. I don't even have a problem with not accepting VOIP. I get why they do that too. My problem is that they don't have an alternative, and there is no way for channel admins that turn on that feature to know how many people can't get in because of their choice. They should either have an alternative way to verify oneself, or a way for t…

Admins can just lower the verification level for the server, can't they?

https://discord.com/safety/360043653152-Four-steps-to-a-supe...

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by kayodelycaon » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:19 AM UTC

encryptluks2 wrote: post #150

kayodelycaon wrote: post #41

I’ve tried to use forums so many times but I just can’t use them effectively. I don’t want to create accounts and get the notification settings correct so I don’t have to log in to see replies to my messages without getting spammed. The only forum I’ve had success with as a user is Reddit. It isn’t the best forum software in the world but it is miles better than the usual php bulletin boards. Having run a forum befor…

That brings up a good point. If forums are going to work, they need some form of federation that doesn't suck.

If only there was some open protocol to authenticate against a third party… ;)

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by govg » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

zamadatix wrote: post #334

errantspark wrote: post #82

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I constantly run into this problem, I've used my google voice number for everything for years (yeah it's not a great move but very hard to migrate away from) and a frustrating number of services recently have been rejecting it for verification. I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone. It's such a hassle. This whole "you're not a human unless you have a phone number" thing sucks. Sa…

How does this work for Fi users? I've had a Google Voice number for so long it's the only voice number I have these days. I can't say it's a recent experience that it doesn't work with certain things though it has been a recent experience the things are aware it doesn't work and will alert you. Overall though I've yet to run into anything I couldn't use an alternative method for authentication be it luck (e.g. got in…

I'm not sure if there are any issues on Google Fi, since they're an MVNO, so identical to any other cellular network.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by far_focus » Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

I cannot agree enough.

For example, in the bevy[0] discord alone, there's a remarkable about of advice, plugin recommendations, and technical help that's essentially just lost in noise.

It's a real shame; I can't help but wonder how much effort is repeated, or how much beginners needlessly struggle because they couldn't effectively find information.

[0] https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy