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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by Symbiote »

glenneroo wrote: post #615
TonyTrapp wrote: post #542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone Just in case you are not aware, you can receive verification SMS on your laptop as well! On Windows 10 there is a built-in app simply called "Messaging" which shows you all the SMS received on that number. I'm sure something different exists for other OSes. This is what I do when asked for a verification number and there is absolutely no wa…

There are laptops with SIM card slots?

I had one around 2009. It even came with Linux.

They seem less common nowadays, since a tablet or tethered phone covers most use cases.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by b3morales »

aikinai wrote: post #385
thaumasiotes wrote: post #212

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Just a couple of days ago, I signed in to a gmail account using the correct username and password. Gmail intercepted me and claimed to be worried that they couldn't recognize the device I was using. According to the flow, they wanted me to verify my identity in one of three ways: (1) I could verify the backup email address associated with the account; (2) if unable to do that, I could provide the 2FA code sent to tha…

How does that story have anything to do with being evil, by any stretch of the definition? Are you insinuating that Google has this convoluted verification flow to intentionally harm people in some way? Or even to intentionally harm privacy or further business goals at users' expense? Or are you just using "evil" to refer to anything you don't like?

As noted in the parent, in the given scenario the phone number provides absolutely no improvement in security or verification that the person who enters the phone number is actually the owner of the account. At best, granting Google the benefit of the doubt, it is security theater.

So, since it isn't effective for its stated purpose, are there other reasons it could be in place?

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by b3morales »

njarboe wrote: post #512
errantspark wrote: post #82

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I constantly run into this problem, I've used my google voice number for everything for years (yeah it's not a great move but very hard to migrate away from) and a frustrating number of services recently have been rejecting it for verification. I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone. It's such a hassle. This whole "you're not a human unless you have a phone number" thing sucks. Sa…

Every one used to use your social security number instead to uniquely identify people but that was made illegal because of the many problems this caused. But company's want a unique identifier for people. Now that everyone has cell phones people never change their phone number so it is a great unique identifier that is legal to use. Not enough edge cases, yet, like yours too worry about. Maybe it will be made illegal…

It's never been made illegal to use, or even ask for, an SSN.

You can refuse to provide it (unless it's required for tax/employment purposes) but whoever's asking can then just refuse to transact with you.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by errantspark »

true_religion wrote: post #619
acka wrote: post #462

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I believe that grandparents point was that by not taking on any debt they don't have a credit score which can be verified. You can't verify something that doesn't exist in the first place.

I thought their complaint was that without a credit score, businesses don't see them as 'trustworthy'. The OP separated 'trust' from 'credit score', and says they shouldn't be conflated. However since all of the OP's examples involved credit (car rental post-pay, phone usage post-pay, etc.) then in those cases trust===credit score. Without a credit score, you're basically asking someone to trust blindly that you'll p…

The problem is that I don't have an alternative method of proving my trustworthiness and as a result lose access to some products. Often times prepaid plans are not equivalent to postpaid plans, I can't just put a security deposit on a rental car to offset risk, etc.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by b3morales »

true_religion wrote: post #312
errantspark wrote: post #256

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A credit score is used as a trustworthiness analog in arenas other than lending. For example renting a house or car, and some phone companies won't give you access to a post-paid plan, all of which can have a stratifying effect. The idea that because I don't take on debt that I am not trustworthy is wrong. I can pay a larger security deposit to offset risk, but often times that's not an option. I've also heard tell o…

Post paid plans are credit. It’s allowing you to consume goods, then pay for them after the fact. Sure, it’s short term credit (sub 30 days), but it’s still credit.

It's not goods, though, it's a service. And in general services are not paid up front.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by errantspark »

numpad0 wrote: post #433
errantspark wrote: post #279

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Yeah, I'm sure it's possible to do so, but unfortunately my BIOS locks me into the OEM modem, there is no linux driver for it and the windows one is not documented so no luck for me in that regard. At some point I'll pour some more sweat into it and try to unlock the bios or something but sadly for now this functionality that my computer absolutely has is unavailable to me. Same with getting NMEA sentences off the GP…

Whatever comes with should work mostly fine, whitelist unlocks are for those didn’t option a WWAN. All WWAN modems are same, usually they have 3-5 serial ports for modem control, data, debug, and NMEA. My hunch is your ttyS2 takes “GPS enable” command and it’ll start murmuring it on ttyS4. Refs: https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/sierra_advanced_gps https://forum.openwrt.org/t/problem-accessing-gps-data-from-... https://g…

None of the TTYs that Windows exposes will even let me connect (access denied error even as admin) and there is no Linux driver, or maybe there is now with very recent kernels?[0]. It would surprise me if it worked well but I will spend some hours to find out soon. Intel/Fibocomm don't provide support for their modems except to OEMs afaik and I don't see any mention of successful connection under linux w/ my modem. (Fibocom L860-GL/Intel XMM 7560) around the internet. I have tried with some other LTE modem (model forgotten) in the past and I wasn't able to see it under Windows or Linux at all.

[0] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-M....

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by errantspark »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #542
errantspark wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I constantly run into this problem, I've used my google voice number for everything for years (yeah it's not a great move but very hard to migrate away from) and a frustrating number of services recently have been rejecting it for verification. I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone. It's such a hassle. This whole "you're not a human unless you have a phone number" thing sucks. Sa…

> I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone Just in case you are not aware, you can receive verification SMS on your laptop as well! On Windows 10 there is a built-in app simply called "Messaging" which shows you all the SMS received on that number. I'm sure something different exists for other OSes. This is what I do when asked for a verification number and there is absolutely no wa…

Nice, thanks for pointing this out. It's fucking annoying that I'll have to figure out how to install the Windows Store on my computer to get an app that can receive text messages, something that you know, should be available through a pipe/file/tty or some dead simple interface since it's not exactly rocket science to receive 160 characters of text.

But thank you none the less.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by njarboe »

b3morales wrote: post #653
njarboe wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every one used to use your social security number instead to uniquely identify people but that was made illegal because of the many problems this caused. But company's want a unique identifier for people. Now that everyone has cell phones people never change their phone number so it is a great unique identifier that is legal to use. Not enough edge cases, yet, like yours too worry about. Maybe it will be made illegal…

It's never been made illegal to use, or even ask for, an SSN. You can refuse to provide it (unless it's required for tax/employment purposes) but whoever's asking can then just refuse to transact with you.

Thanks for the info. I guess I remembered when companies stopped printing out social security numbers on everything (badges, informational letters, etc.) and using them generally due to, probably, this California law[1].

[1]https://www.kmm.com/articles-195.html

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by xeronik »

lloydatkinson wrote: post #560

After a long time spending my free time helping out in the C# discord before leaving due to extreme ego and staff cliques and then more recently the Vue discord and getting nothing but grief in return and zero thanks for the 4 years helping on the Vue discord after a couple of moderators unfortunately became jealous at my message count in comparison to them (yeah, immature as hell), I couldn't agree more. What a wast…

The C# discord became a lot better after lloyd left due to his "extreme ego" lol.

"if it seems like it's everyone else, then it's probably you"

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

gizdan wrote: post #222

I just wish people would use a system that's integrated into where the code is. I don't want to have to register for a forum when GitHub has a perfectly good ticketing system (and now discussions), and yet I have to register at another place where my details can be leaked from because who knows the technical capability of this one single person who may or may not have done any security. If it's a company, please have…

Use a person generator if you worry about your details.
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