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A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by michaelmrose »

Hamuko wrote: post #31
41209 wrote: post #13

I'm loving my M1 Mac mini. I use it mostly for recording and it's very nice for that. I still have my big desktop, but if I was to start again I'd go Windows Laptop+ Mac Mini. Realistically I don't want to spend 2k on a laptop, it can ultimately be stolen , destroyed, might not last too long , etc. But with a Mac Mini you buy into the Apple ecosystem at a fairly low price.

> Realistically I don't want to spend 2k on a laptop, it can ultimately be stolen , destroyed, might not last too long , etc. Aren't most of those things the reason why insurance exists?

Most laptop insurance policies don't cover theft. Likewise with car insurance. You might have better luck with your renters or home owners policy although if you are getting actual cash value with is pretty common you will be getting a value that may be substantially less than you paid for it.

Buyer beware.

Most loss via theft is the result of user error. Setting something down or leaving it unattended where its liable to be stolen like in your car. Fun fact did you know that there are scanner apps that will use bluetooth to tell exactly what car has the $2000 laptop in it so they can break the correct window.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by drclau »

ogazitt wrote: post #12

These power numbers are impressive. The memory bandwidth is also impressive. But one thing to watch for - just because the memory bandwidth is so good, don't skimp on memory. The original M1 reviews in Feb 2021 convinced me to get an M1 Macbook Air with only 8GB of memory back in March. My brother-in-law who works for Apple hardware assured me it would be more than enough. Wrong - the machine was churning within a da…

Maybe you've seen the problem discussed here?

Memory leaks are crippling my M1 MacBook Pro

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29142157

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by krrrh »

alexkundera wrote: post #16

It is good for industry in the long term. With all the rumors, obviously I can't wait for Microsoft to release a Surface of their own with fanless design and custom chips.

I haven't looked into the details of Rosetta 2 enough to understand how big of an undertaking it is, but it is so impressive, especially given that of the dozens of pieces of software running on my system right now, only a handful are still relying on it.

I'm curious if anyone has any insight on how difficult it would be to pull off something similar on the windows platform, because it feels like tablestakes. Iirc they didn't have anything like Rosetta 1 when they released their first Windows RT systems a decade ago.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by yardie »

michaelmrose wrote: post #41
Hamuko wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Realistically I don't want to spend 2k on a laptop, it can ultimately be stolen , destroyed, might not last too long , etc. Aren't most of those things the reason why insurance exists?

Most laptop insurance policies don't cover theft. Likewise with car insurance. You might have better luck with your renters or home owners policy although if you are getting actual cash value with is pretty common you will be getting a value that may be substantially less than you paid for it. Buyer beware. Most loss via theft is the result of user error. Setting something down or leaving it unattended where its liab…

> there are scanner apps that will use bluetooth to tell exactly what car has the $2000 laptop in it

This might explain why a friend's car was hit and laptop stolen. Rear window tint was illegaly dark and the bag was out of sight under the passenger seat. Yet, they knew to hit that car out of a parking garage full of cars. And if they are using a bluetooth scanner it makes more sense.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by KptMarchewa »

batmanthehorse wrote: post #34
eyelidlessness wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest I’d buy a hypothetical fanless “MacBook Air Plus” with a modest M2 if only it supported 64 GB RAM. M1 is already significantly better than my 2019 16” MBP, and I’d much prefer the MBA’s thermals.

Yeah, I was eagerly waiting for the new MBP but ended up returning it (unopened) because I was disappointed that its 10% heavier than the last model. I think my ideal would be a thin, fanless 16 inch with 32GB RAM. I'm fine with some power throttling under sustained load, but I understand why they filled the new Pros with big fans to avoid that.

And I'm absolutely not fine with it. I've only bought new one because they finally treated constant thermal issues seriously.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by ksec »

kube-system wrote: post #40
michaelmrose wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

94% of people aren't current college enrollees and aren't paying educational prices they are paying the prices listed at store.apple.com. Looking at store.apple.com the 999 model is a dog nobody should buy because its forever locked in at 8GB of non replacable RAM and it comes with an anemic 256GB of storage. The minimum configuration anyone ought to buy in 2021 comes in at $1400 for 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage…

Here's another data point. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories/zg... #1, #2, and #5 are MacBook Airs. The only Windows PC in the top 50 is #39, and has 4GB RAM, and 128GB SSD. Although I really don't think that power users would always be better served with a 16GB RAM Walmart marketplace specials. RAM and storage space are important data points, but the types of machines made specifically for ba…

And a Chromebook at #25 priced at $179.

And that is at current MacBook Air price. There is no reason why a Macbook Air cant be $799, the same price as iPad Pro from a BOM cost prospective with same margin other than market positioning and segmentation.

And most consumer dont actually care about spec. They want a computer that works. ( Actually most dont want one, they just have to buy one for different sort of reason ).

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by michaelmrose »

kube-system wrote: post #40
michaelmrose wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

94% of people aren't current college enrollees and aren't paying educational prices they are paying the prices listed at store.apple.com. Looking at store.apple.com the 999 model is a dog nobody should buy because its forever locked in at 8GB of non replacable RAM and it comes with an anemic 256GB of storage. The minimum configuration anyone ought to buy in 2021 comes in at $1400 for 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage…

Here's another data point. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories/zg... #1, #2, and #5 are MacBook Airs. The only Windows PC in the top 50 is #39, and has 4GB RAM, and 128GB SSD. Although I really don't think that power users would always be better served with a 16GB RAM Walmart marketplace specials. RAM and storage space are important data points, but the types of machines made specifically for ba…

This is a good data point for a short term sales trends regarding a new device that is a big upgrade for apple's existing market share.

It does not in any fashion show that short term sales suggest that people who who used to buy 200-600 average PCs are now spending 1000 on macbooks. Macs biggest opportunity rests in flipping people who buy machines in the same price range from PC to Mac. It puts substantial pressure on OEMs to improve their premium lines and yet they don't have a great margin so it looks like there is nowhere to go but up in price.

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